The problem started in the spring though. Leave the clocks alone and there wouldn't be this madness
Woo-hoo, the clocks go back to GMT this weekend!
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The problem started in the spring though. Leave the clocks alone and there wouldn't be this madness
Just get up an hour earlier? Or 2 if you’re really indulgent!
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There was an EU consultation in 2018, while we were still a member, and those that voted overwhelmingly voted to scrap it. Six years on, nothing happened. Here's the first link I found on the subject.
To answer your question, we don't need it. It's annoying and just means I lose an hour's sleep when the clocks go forward again. I never benefit from the extra hour because my body still wakes up when it would do normally.
Mornings don't work for me during the week. If have to get up so early to be back for work. And I really hate the threat of having to be back for work.
Obviously the time on the clock is irrelevant during weekend. But during the week it sucks
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We are getting the right for flexi-working requests soon. State you suffer mildly from SAD and that starting work and finishing work will allow you to see the sun.
Easy peasy. It’s better people have choice, than dictated to because… well, farmers, way back in the day.
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NO its not 'most people' - most people want more daylight when they are awake.
As much as I'd like to argue with you - I have to yield to scientific fact that is, in reality - approx a 50/50 mix if you're a morning person or a night owl.
It's an evolved trait that developed when humans lived in more social groups as we evolved - it was advantageous for half the group to stay awake late, and half to wake up very early, thus the amount of time all would be asleep is only a couple of hours in the middle of the night - leaving someone awake to look out for danger.
Fact is, morning people (Who frankly need locking up due to their serious mental health issue in my opinion
) prefer GMT, and sensible people who prefer mornings to rest and stay awake later on prefer BST.I am the latter, i.e. the correct way of timing us.
Jokes aside - studies have also found GMT leads to more depression, health issues & accidents due to the overly early time of sunset, so practically speaking society is better off on BST - The GMT'rs will just have to lump it
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No, DST makes absolutely no difference at all to the amount of daylight at any time of day - morning or evening. The amount of daylight is dictated solely by orbital mechanics.
If you want more free time in the evening, then you get up earlier and get what you have to do, done, sooner.
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Stupid reply because maybe he works and doesn't finish work until after sunset & may not reasonably have time in the morning.
Christ, the 'get up earlier' crew need their head checking - all is tranquil and fine if we just left the clocks BST - Clearly as a person who can get up when ever they want, it wont affect you will it V-monkey - if we stay on BST sunrise would be 8am - PERFECTLY REASONABLE - also, it would begin to get light from 7am, so wouldn't affect you bizarre people that love getting up at silly o clock in the morning - have at it weirdos, dont drag the rest of us down with u, get up when you like as you seem to like it!!
FACT IS lighter evenings make for happier people!
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Without references it is impossible to know, but it seems to me from your summary that those studies started from the premise that work start/end times are somehow sacrosanct and may never be altered.
The UK, it seems, tends to a working day that starts closer to midday - my colleagues on the continent often start work at 8am (local time to them).
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Can we have a poll mods?
GMT OR BST - LETS VOTE
GMT OR BST - LETS VOTE
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Increases SAD, depression & Isolation due to the dark - jokes and banter aside, anyone on here suffering with this can seek help & info here:
Clock changes and your mental health - Change Mental Health
Clock changes can disrupt your internal body clock. The circadian rhythm can affect your mental health and wellbeing through these small adjustments of time.
changemh.org
The answer to this is to increase natural daylight - which most commonly would happen in the evening - it is in fact more common that MOST people are awake around 5pm, half of people are still asleep at 8AM - so it makes logical sense to keep BST constantly.
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It would be 8am where and when? It would be closer to 10am in for example Edinburgh for most of December and January, even in London it would be 9am if we had bst all year. So yeah, some very dark mornings indeed for vast swathes of the country.
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See my reply above with the link to changemh about this.
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I didn't even notice the time changing and I was awake at the time!
How does it address it being dark at 10am?
Also the angle of the sunrise is different in winter, it's.not light 1hour before the sun rises in winter.
The luminance on an evening does not change because your clock tells it to. Moan at YOUR job if you don’t like the hours you work. We don’t need to enforce everybody else to conform - there is an easy answer.
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Oh for gawd sake, no the sun doesn't care what my watch says - no **** Sherlock - my issue is that our society has decided to change the time......when it doesn't need to !!
The "evening" luminance is altered because some idiot at the start of the 20th Century told everyone else to change the time and it's stuck.....while the daylight remains the same, I must change to suit societies madness, i.e. the shop shuts at 5pm because 5pm is now an hour earlier than 6pm.
My job is self employed so dont worry about that sonny Jim, but its all time to slit our wrists with depression now because my being forced to tell me its 4.30pm and its dark is loopy.
Apparently in the UK we love doing anything we can to make life harder and miserable for everyone, as if Brexit wasn't enough, now we continue this GMT madness.
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Should just do away with the shift and time zones. Have one global time and everyone just adjust to it.
You’d get pretty use to it if in Australia you had to get up at 20:00 rather than 06:00 it would just make things so much easier. Everyone would just adjust accordingly. Sun rise is x in said country that would be it. Done.
You’d get pretty use to it if in Australia you had to get up at 20:00 rather than 06:00 it would just make things so much easier. Everyone would just adjust accordingly. Sun rise is x in said country that would be it. Done.