Woolwich serious incident

Threepwood · 24 May 2013 at 21:05

Jokester said:
I didn't realise only the military were allowed to wear them anywhere else.

The chances are someone walking out of a barracks wearing a healp for heros T-shirt is more likely to be a soldier than someone walking out of marks and sparks wearing one.

No different to a drone attack, place suits, image suits, is that enough for the go ahead boss? sure level that village. We'll know for sure after.

PooBrain · 24 May 2013 at 21:06

T345 said:
Who's losing?

Ultimately the West could never lose if push came to shove.

badcompany · 24 May 2013 at 21:06

Gilly said:
Anyone that can openly support them is actively shouting that they want a racist party to control the country.

Who would want that but a racist themselves?

2nd or third most popular party in uk you had better get used to it.

Gilly · 24 May 2013 at 21:06

Threepwood said:
The chances are someone walking out of a barracks wearing a healp for heros T-shirt is more likely to be a soldier than someone walking out of marks and sparks wearing one.

What about someone walking near barracks, rather than walking out of barracks?

I imagine lots of people walk near lots of barracks all the time.

n111ck · 24 May 2013 at 21:08

Threepwood said:
The chances are someone walking out of a barracks wearing a healp for heros T-shirt is more likely to be a soldier than someone walking out of marks and sparks wearing one.

No different to a drone attack, place suits, image suits, is that enough for the go ahead boss? sure level that village. We'll know for sure after.

He was walking TO the barracks.

Threepwood · 24 May 2013 at 21:09

Gilly said:
What about someone walking near barracks, rather than walking out of barracks?

I imagine lots of people walk near lots of barracks all the time.

Again, do you think we make military desicions based on 100% accuracy? WMD anyone? Can you understand that the way people feel about this is the way people in other countries feel? Except there are many many many more occurrences?

Gilly · 24 May 2013 at 21:09

badcompany said:
2nd or third most popular party in uk you had better get used to it.

Can you define that please?

Threepwood said:
Again, do you think we make military desicions based on 100% accuracy? WMD anyone? Can you understand that the way people feel about this is the way people in other countries feel? Except there are many many many more occurrences?

What do military decisions have to do with two mentalists running over and killing a civilian on the streets of London?

Draeger · 24 May 2013 at 21:09

I don't know if it's already been posted (I scanned back a few pages to have a look) but there is a Just Giving donation page set up, the proceeds of which are going to Help for Heroes.

https://www.justgiving.com/RIP-Woolwich-Soldier-FacebookPage

Already sat at over £82,000.

And to anyone who disagrees with donations being made as a result of the incident - I really couldn't give a flying ..........

. Simply wanted to post the link. Dig deep if you have an ounce of humanity within.

Jokester · 24 May 2013 at 21:11

n111ck said:
He was walking TO the barracks.

Indeed.

SPG · 24 May 2013 at 21:11

badcompany said:
2nd or third most popular party in uk you had better get used to it.

Its not race, its culture.

Culture of people coming into the UK with nothing wanting something, Culture of people protesting against the place that feeds them, clothes them, houses them, culture of Chavs breeding like rabbits and getting X thousands of pounds just for opening there legs. Culture of the long term unemployed with no intention ever of getting a job freeloading off the state.

Im not saying its a easy picnic being unemployed, but the system was created to help those who fell on hard times not for freeloading.

It has to stop and the majority of people who work, whether white, black, asian have just about had enough.

Craterloads · 24 May 2013 at 21:11

Ultimately they got the man they wanted.

Anyhow debating this kind of feels disrespectful to the soldier, so I'm out.

Janesy B · 24 May 2013 at 21:12

Gilly said:
Can you define that please?

What do military decisions have to do with two mentalists running over and killing a civilian on the streets of London?

Ah but war has moved on.

So far that these actions can't even be attributed to a single group or nation and the attacker even refers to the troops as 'our troops.

Craterloads said:
Ultimately they got the man they wanted.

Anyhow debating this kind of feels disrespectful to the soldier, so I'm out.

But it's not disrespectful to imply that we should expect this sort of thing because of our foreign policy. Cool.

Gilly · 24 May 2013 at 21:12

n111ck said:
He was walking TO the barracks.

That doesn't seem to matter.

Craterloads said:
Ultimately they got the man they wanted.

Anyhow debating this kind of feels disrespectful to the soldier, so I'm out.

I think you're doing a disservice to the word debate.

Jokester · 24 May 2013 at 21:12

Craterloads said:
Anyhow debating this kind of feels disrespectful to the soldier.

Indeed it is if you try to justify their actions.

Efour · 24 May 2013 at 21:13

racewar

Craterloads · 24 May 2013 at 21:14

Jokester said:
Indeed it is if you try to justify their actions.

Not justifying their actions, pointing out facts and double standards. Please don't drag me back in.

Threepwood · 24 May 2013 at 21:14

What do military decisions have to do with two mentalists running over and killing a civilian on the streets of London?

Are you suggesting they were not out to get a soldier? Just pure luck that a random person they killed was one?

They targeted a 'potential' soldier just as 'we' target 'potentials' abroad.

They could have been wrong yes, just like we have been wrong and taken out an innocent.

badcompany · 24 May 2013 at 21:16

SPG said:
Its not race, its culture.

Culture of people coming into the UK with nothing wanting something, Culture of people protesting against the place that feeds them, clothes them, houses them, culture of Chavs breeding like rabbits and getting X thousands of pounds just for opening there legs. Culture of the long term unemployed with no intention ever of getting a job freeloading off the state.

Im not saying its a easy picnic being unemployed, but the system was created to help those who fell on hard times not for freeloading.

It has to stop and the majority of people who work, whether white, black, asian have just about had enough.

whats that got to do with UKIP being in top 3 political parties?

Jokester · 24 May 2013 at 21:19

Craterloads said:
Not justifying their actions, pointing out facts and double standards. Please don't drag me back in.

You are trying to justify their actions based on our foreign policy under the guise of some perverted concept that they were legitimate members of a nation we are at war with carrying out at a military attack on a legitimate military target, rather than the truth that these were just two losers who behaved like animals to promote their disgusting twisted version of islam, to ultimately the detriment of islam itself and the way it is viewed in the world.

anything I don't mind · 24 May 2013 at 21:22

I don't know if they didnt know he was a soldier or what evidence there was regarding that. But what it looked like to me is that they must have at some point got this guy in to their car, most likely by stopping the car and then telling him to get in with knives pointing at him. Then they drove the car and spoke to him and crashed it in to the pole and then got out and stabbed him.

Is that what occurred, does anyone have an article with the facts yet?