Woolwich serious incident

Gilly · 24 May 2013 at 20:47

Craterloads said:
You don't run over random people and ask them "are you a soldier"

That is exactly what they did!

You are right though, I don't do it. Because I'm not a brainwashed mentalist.

V F · 24 May 2013 at 20:47

Jokester said:
Who are we at war with at the moment?

Politicians? the last I recall they've had us in an endless mess for over a decade in every which way.

Craterloads · 24 May 2013 at 20:48

RDM said:
No, what nation are they soldiers for? You sad one of the nations allied to Iraq or Afghanistan.

I never said they represented a nation to align to another. The are freelancers if that's helps. You don't need to represent one country to pledge allegiance to another.

UncleRuckus · 24 May 2013 at 20:48

Craterloads said:
That he was a soldier.

It's the truth, it's a undeniable fact the the UK is at war. I don't like this attack one bit, it's disgusting and barbaric. I wish Britain wasn't at war so these things would not happen, as it happens in all war.

I agree, but the left still want the boarders open to anyone even if yesterdays events happen.

I mean let's forgot race and religion for a second; if you are at war and you let the opposing nations people in, the host nation and it's citizens are vulnerable because there will be people who put their nation first and not their hosts.

Craterloads · 24 May 2013 at 20:49

Gilly said:
That is exactly what they did!

You are right though, I don't do it. Because I'm not a brainwashed mentalist.

They knew enough that he was a soldier, everything points that way. They even said so themselves.

Threepwood · 24 May 2013 at 20:49

Gilly said:
What? In which post did I say average men and women need to die in the name of capitalism?

You said "You think average guys and kids dying on our streets is what Muslims are forced to do through their religion?" I'll just respond in the same way as you, it's eaiser.

No, daft question.

Neither were you when he said he spoke the truth when he said Muslims are forced to kill average men and children in the name of their religion.

In the face of pedantry I will revise my answer, many of his points are true.

Gilly · 24 May 2013 at 20:52

Craterloads said:
They knew enough that he was a soldier, everything points that way. They even said so themselves.

When? When they asked him if he was a soldier? Is that when they showed that they knew he was a soldier? When they asked him?

Yeah. Makes about as much sense as everything else you're saying.

Threepwood said:
You said "You think average guys and kids dying on our streets is what Muslims are forced to do through their religion?" I'll just respond in the same way as you, it's eaiser.

No, daft question.

In the face of pedantry I will revise my answer, many of his points are true.

Whilst that is better, you seem to be expecting that we be able to pick out which bits you meant and which bits you didn't mean and getting a chip on your shoulder when we don't know automatically what you meant when you agree with a paragraph based on nothing but stupidity.

SPG · 24 May 2013 at 20:54

Dont worry, folk will be pulling out we have really good drones for that sort of thing now, there pretty effective and cheap.

Sucks to be on the losing side doesnt it

T345 · 24 May 2013 at 20:55

SPG said:
Dont worry, folk will be pulling out we have really good drones for that sort of thing now, there pretty effective and cheap.

Sucks to be on the losing side doesnt it

Who's losing?

SPG · 24 May 2013 at 20:56

Hmm the quote never came through, user error. But it was in response to some drivel crater posted again.

Craterloads · 24 May 2013 at 20:56

Gilly said:
When? When they asked him if he was a soldier? Is that when they showed that they knew he was a soldier? When they asked him?

Yeah. Makes about as much sense as everything .

Gly you don't random run people outside a military base and ask the if they are a soldier. It shows intent, planning and acknowledgment. Along with their actions after the incident aka not attacking civilians. And further by their actual statements. This was a targeted attack against a soldier.

RDM · 24 May 2013 at 20:57

Craterloads said:
I never said they represented a nation to align to another. The are freelancers if that's helps. You don't need to represent one country to pledge allegiance to another.

So it isn't really the same thing at all then is it? Randomly deciding to take actions into your own hands isn't at all the same as a continuation of conflict.

We don't accept vigilante justice to be the equivilant of police justice so why would this act of terrorism be the equivilant of military action?

Threepwood · 24 May 2013 at 20:58

Gilly said:
Whilst that is better, you seem to be expecting that we be able to pick out which bits you meant and which bits you didn't mean and getting a chip on your shoulder when we don't know automatically what you meant when you agree with a paragraph based on nothing but stupidity.

That is the nature of talking in text I guess, I don't have the time to specifically go through every tiny detail. We all make mistakes when following context in text land.

No chip on this shoulder, and yes it is stupid, as stupid as what 'we' have done too. Hence I condem both 'sides'.

Jokester · 24 May 2013 at 20:59

Craterloads said:
Gly you don't random run people outside a military base and ask the if they are a soldier. It shows intent, planning and acknowledgment. Along with their actions after the incident aka not attacking civilians. And further by their actual statements. This was a targeted attack against a soldier.

He was singled out for wearing a Help for Heroes top.

Craterloads · 24 May 2013 at 20:59

RDM said:
So it isn't really the same thing at all then is it? Randomly deciding to take actions into your own hands isn't at all the same as a continuation of conflict.

We don't accept vigilante justice to be the equivilant of police justice so why would this act of terrorism be the equivilant of military action?

I see your trying to drag it down that way, the truth is many fighting in Afghanistan are foreign in fact including British nationals and don't represent any nation, yet are classes as soldiers/fighters/Taliban/combatants or what ever.

Threepwood · 24 May 2013 at 21:00

Jokester said:
He was singled out for wearing a Help for Heroes top.

He wasn't walking out of marks and sparks tho was he?

Gilly · 24 May 2013 at 21:02

Craterloads said:
Gly you don't random run people outside a military base and ask the if they are a soldier.

That's what they did though.

Threepwood said:
He wasn't walking out of marks and sparks tho was he?

That may be where he had been though, as he was returning to the barracks.

Jokester · 24 May 2013 at 21:02

Threepwood said:
He wasn't walking out of marks and sparks tho was he?

I didn't realise only the military were allowed to wear them anywhere else.

UncleRuckus · 24 May 2013 at 21:04

Jokester said:
He was singled out for wearing a Help for Heroes top.

And you know what is one of the Saddest thing about this?

This soldier was raising money for his comrades because the state craps on their wounded when this happened. This soldier had his head removed because these pigs have made our country unstable.

RDM · 24 May 2013 at 21:05

Craterloads said:
I see your trying to drag it down that way, the truth is many fighting in Afghanistan are foreign in fact including British nationals.

But these guys have no connection with Afghanistan, they haven't been fighting there.

"Hey, I don't like what's happening in Afghanistan, lets go run over someone we think is a soldier and then kill him if he is!" Doesn't really seem to be along the lines of a legitimate military attack. It sounds much more like brainwashed nutters.