Woolwich serious incident

Gilly said:
Why not us as OcUK?

Come up with a logo that symbolises peace and unity, and at the same time condemns the extremist and the extremist sympathisers alike, and it'll mean something.

The time is right for it.

Evil is evil and must be condemned wherever it is perpetrated.
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Why not.. Didn't want to put too much pressure on us.

I was going to add that if we could as in OCuk thatll be cool (sorry couldn't think of another way to say it)


UK used to stand for United Kingdom. looks like we need to change the name. we are far from united.
 
It hardly helps our cause if we drop a missile costing lots of money on some 2p jihadi in the desert.A 500 pound bomb costs roughly £100,000 no ?

They cost nothing to push out 5 jihadi's in childbirth.Yet if we were to match them bomb for jihadi we would we flat out broke in no time.I dont even think it is worth the money.


The money would be better spent on more employment at UK borders to control immigration and monitoring of people from pakistan,afghanistan,somilia here on visa to "study" and it would actually help the economy grow and lessen unemployment.


Study means Jihad btw!
 
Craterloads said:
B) The UK have carried out hundreds of drone strikes.
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Which you have had explained to you now several time are used in a very different manner to the US. And to substantiate your point you use a RT article about US drones strikes not British ones.

But hey let's not get in the way of your brainwashing eh. Why base an opinion on fact when you can base it on whatever fundamentalist bull you have been reading.
 
It's a horrible and tragic piece of news, but now I'm surprised it's got as much as coverage as it has. I think a lot of it comes from the reaction to the bystanders and the aftermath.
 
Craterloads said:
http://rt.com/news/drones-us-al-qaeda-militants-649/

We target people in training camps routinely, in no combat situations. This man was a serving soldier residing at a training camp (barracks)

War goes two ways
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We are not the United States, our foreign policy or how we execute it remains different from the United States. Do not confuse the two simply because we are allies.

In any case, the serving soldiers at woolwich are not trained to specifically target or kill Afghans or Muslim civilians, the militants in those Pakistani training camps are being trained with the specific role of creating terror in civilian populations, and not only Western ones. There are far more terror attacks on Muslim populations perpetrated by Islamic Militant groups than there are against Western populations. Part of the reason we are in Afghanistan was to curtail this and to support an alliance of Afghans opposed to the Taliban regime, which was oppressive and responsible for attrocities against there own people....much like Saddam Hussein was.

The two examples you give to justify and legitimise the actions in Woolwich are simply not comparable and neither do they validate your position.
 
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Jokester said:
I'll take that as a no then.
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Well what the facts on the ground are saying, is we have installed a corrupt puppet government (bin liners of cash going to them secretly), armed and supported the opposition including rapist paedophiles and drug dealers in the way of local police force, opposing the very people who got rid of these guys.

Are pulling out rather suspiciously in 2014 coinciding with the fact the current puppet installed president cant cheat his way to anymore election victories and the country will return, as analysis has shown, back to the will of the people.

Iraq, as Tony Blair.
 
Craterloads said:
Well what the facts on the ground are saying, is we have installed a corrupt puppet government (bin liners of cash going to them secretly), armed and supported the opposition including rapist paedophiles and drug dealers in the way of local police force, opposing the very people who got rid of these guys.

Are pulling out rather suspiciously in 2014 coinciding with the fact the current puppet installed president cant cheat his way to anymore election victories and the country will return, as analysis has shown, back to the will of the people.

Iraq, as Tony Blair.
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Wow, your true colours have really come out in this thread. Good play at the start though by at least attempting to come across as quite moderate.
 
Xordium said:
I certainly won't be attending any OcUK meets if he is coming with his gear in a rucksack let's put it that way.
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I suspect he would deem gracing us infidels with his presence as being somewhat beneath him. :p

I particularly enjoyed the way he attempted to imply that the Taliban regime was 'the will of the people', as if it was some kind of progressive democracy. :D
 
Castiel said:
We are not the United States, our foreign policy or how we execute it remains different from the United States. Do not confuse the two simply because we are allies.
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Allied forces, all the same to people fighting for an end of occupation.

In any case, the serving soldiers at wool which are not trained to specifically target or kill Afghans or Muslim civilians,
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They are still part of the army, do we question what role a militant plays in their clubs?

the militants in those Pakistani training camps are being trained with the specific role of creating terror in civilian populations, and not only Western ones.
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Including attacking western forces, at the time of attacking them they are in a non combatant state. Like the Barracks here. In conentional war with lets say russia vs the UK, would Russia not target military bases around the UK?

There are far more terror attacks on Muslim populations perpetrated by Islamic Militant groups than there are against Western populations.
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Wasnt like that beofre the invasion and handing power to the opposition, which is pretty much corrupt to the core.

Part of the reason we are in Afghanistan was to curtail this and to support an alliance of Afghans opposed to the Taliban regime, which was oppressive and responsible for attrocities against there own people....much like Saddam Hussein was.
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Have you seen who we have put in power now? Pedo, rapists, drug users/traffickers. This is the reality of the war

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/vice-news/...ke-full-length

The two examples you give to justify and legitimise the actions in Woolwich are simply not comparable and neither do they validate your position.
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I'm not justifying the action, the actions were and are wrong. So are the ones commited by us.
 
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