Woolwich serious incident

shaank said:
A 75 year old Muslim man was stabbed in the back a number of times by some white youths in Birmingham not long ago. A terrible crime. Barely made the news.
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Its was all over the news, what about the white boy from Bristol knifed by a gang of Asians, that never made news. there are plenty of things that have not man any new.

To dislike Muslims is not racist, because Muslims are not a race, they are made up of many. If we take the argument that disliking Muslims is racist then any words etc disliking the British is also racist in fact, coming to think about it its racists to say British xxxxxx and it is not racist to say Muslin xxxx. Xenophobia runs on both sides.
 
Amnesia said:
I wouldn't have thought it was for criminal matters.
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Shariah Law does cover criminal matters.

The point is that it wouldn't likely be workable to allow that in the UK though for civil matters it could be workable. AFAIK its already an option for arbitration.
 
arctine said:
That has no bearing on the point she made whatsoever.
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Yes it does,
the implication is that we shouldn't see 'Islamic' terrorists as Islamic, any more that anyone should regard WBC as Christians, based on that they are distortions of the relevant holy books. The idea being that Westernised Muslims are somehow the only true ones because they most closely approximate our own beliefs.

In reality there are a whole bunch of Islamic beliefs (edit: more accurately these are cultural practices) regarded as valid in their own countries, including stoning women who are raped, and the beheading of people for whatever reason.
Someone fresh off the plane from Saudi isn't going to have a rethink on what they believe, hence the ongoing suspicion of Muslims as a whole - nobody can tell who thinks what. (As suggested earlier in the thread where some people think that wanting Sharia law isn't even on the radar according to their Muslim friends, whereas it's actually around 40%).
 
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dowie said:
Shariah Law does cover criminal matters.

The point is that it wouldn't likely be workable to allow that in the UK though for civil matters it could be workable. AFAIK its already an option for arbitration.
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i thought you were talking about the sharia courts in the uk.
 
matdom said:
To dislike Muslims is not racist, because Muslims are not a race, they are made up of many. If we take the argument that disliking Muslims is racist then any words etc disliking the British is also racist in fact, coming to think about it its racists to say British xxxxxx and it is not racist to say Muslin xxxx. Xenophobia runs on both sides.
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I'm not sure what your point is. If you start putting hate material out about a specific religion, then you're a criminal too.
 
shephga said:
Re Shariah Law, if might one day get to the point that the majority of the UK population if offered the choice of switching to Shariah law would take it. Personally it's not something I'd be happy as I believe it should be "the law of the land". If it ever did happen then I'd hope it would mean treatment for sex attackers, murderers and kiddie fiddlers would come to. Ironic that the paedophile sex gang offenders on the front of the papers recently are Muslim would not be in favor of Shariah law.
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i doubt you would get a majority vote even if you asked only the muslims.
It will never happen.
 
Mr Cameron added: "The people that did this were trying to divide us. They should know something like this will only bring us together and make us stronger."

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I don't feel stronger, I feel annoyed that him and the MCB haven't done anything since the last time, and I've no doubt that such killings will continue to happen. I don't feel any closer to the Muslim community because all they can say is it is nothing to do with us, (which is probably a reasonable stance).

All this Wartime blitz spirit BS is annoying.
 
bitslice said:
Mr Cameron added: "The people that did this were trying to divide us. They should know something like this will only bring us together and make us stronger."
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Yeah politicians always say that, like after the 7th July atrocities. If we really were stronger then after that then Woolwich probably wouldn't have happened. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
 
What else could he say, that they have caused terror and tensions between muslims and non muslims ?

The people who are attacking muslims are doing exactly what the terrorists wanted them to do, causing that divide.
As are those who are attacking our foreign policy, really now a good time to attack our own forces after a terrorist attack ? their words and your mouth.
terrorists shouldn't dictate our foreign policy.

This is what the terrorists wanted and a load of you are giving them just that.
 
Amnesia said:
What else could he say, that they have caused terror and tensions between muslims and non muslims ?
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He could ask the MCB which people they regarded as nutters and arrange for them to be deported to their choice of Islamic country (regardless of whether they are British or not), if the MCB don't like them then I'm happy with their judgement, this is their problem after all.
This may require dumping part of the European Human Rights act, because I'm sure they won't agree with us amending it to support deporting hate preachers.

Amnesia said:
You want him to ask them in a news report ?
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PooBrain said:
I would have took that MI5 job. Bet it's well good in the HQ.
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He wouldn't likely have ever entered it. By the sounds of it they wanted to recruit him as an agent... i.e. they pay him for information sort of like a police informer. Agents working for Intelligence organisations aren't part of those organisations they're 'handled' by them... As far as MI5 are concerned its probably members of various extreemist groups in the UK, members of foreign embassies. As far as MI6 is concerned, its foreign citizens with access to certain information in various countries who are essentially being asked to spy against their own country. i.e. the Pakistani Doctor who helped find Bin Laden was a CIA 'agent' ... he doesn't have a full time career with them, they recruited and paid him for a specific task.
 
bitslice said:
He could ask the MCB which people they regarded as nutters and arrange for them to be deported to their choice of Islamic country (regardless of whether they are British or not), if the MCB don't like them then I'm happy with their judgement, this is their problem after all.
This may require dumping part of the European Human Rights act, because I'm sure they won't agree with us amending it to support deporting hate preachers.
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You want him to ask them in a news report ?
 
Amnesia said:
What else could he say, that they have caused terror and tensions between muslims and non muslims ?

The people who are attacking muslims are doing exactly what the terrorists wanted them to do, causing that divide.
As are those who are attacking our foreign policy, really now a good time to attack our own forces after a terrorist attack ? their words and your mouth.
terrorists shouldn't dictate our foreign policy.

This is what the terrorists wanted and a load of you are giving them just that.
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Everyone says this, that the terrorists want us to fight back so we shouldn't do it, but offers little in the way of evidence. Al-Queda's goal was to create an Islamic Caliphate stretching from North Africa, across the Middle-East into South Asia, my guess is that's considerably easier to achieve if you don't have people fighting back.
 
Who says you shouldn't fight back against islamic extremists ? and how exactly are you fighting back ?

you really lost me here ....


and please tell me your fight against the extremists consists of more than spouting racism on ocuk forums.
 
Uh oh, someone just played the race card :rolleyes:

I posted my five point plan for starting to combat Islamic extremism earlier in the thread. We can demand that our politicians start to implement something similar instead of spouting meaningless PC nonsense like "this has made us stronger", it hasn't - it's shown up just how weak we are.
 
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