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Damn, that was years ago, back in my lurking days I think. Some of the things he said were shocking, and would have been instantly deleted if anyone else had posted them.
Indeed.
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from what I've been reading on facebook (see the EDL facebook page for example) I bleedin' hope so. There are so many posts that are effectively to incite violent behaviour by people posting on there, and the site admins haven't deleted them at all, and the number of them that have numerous likes is disturbing also.
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It's already started, but there will be much more to come:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22665443
People need to remember that the right to free speech isn't an absolute one.
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The way some people are reacting to this, especially the the media drones, is that these attacks (or 'atrocities' as they like to put it) are a major source of depopulation in this country and every man, woman and child is in imminent danger. You're probably more likely to die by tripping over banana peelings.
First world problems, lol.
First world problems, lol.
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Thats something i can agree with you on, for example if you want Sharia which i'm sure there will be a few then go live somewhere with Sharia.
Problem though all British citizens have the right to fight for what they believe in, hence democracy. For example if someone wants lower taxes or a better police force, we dont say **** to so and so country if you want a better police force. Kind of counter the values of the country.
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Not all muslims are nutters hell bent of death and destruction , this is worth mentioning
While that's is true as far as some Muslims (especially Muslims living in the west) are concerned the 'extremists' as far as Islam in general is concerned aren't as much of a minority.
There are entire countries being run according to beliefs we would consider 'extreme'. Large portions of the rebels involved in the overthrow of the Libyan regime were aligned with al quaeda, as are a decent chunk of the rebels in Syria - also on the other side of the Syrian conflict are another group with extreme views - Hezbollah...
There are plenty of communities where female circumcision is normal, honour killings are carried out... harsh punishment are dished out for ridiculous offenses, women aren't treated equally. What we would consider 'extreme' over here doesn't have to deviate too far from normal in plenty of other parts of the world.
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Not all muslims are nutters hell bent of death and destruction , this is worth mentioning
WBC don't go around beheading people though.
I don't actually have an issue with people wanting to follow Shariah law in the UK... if two parties want to settle a dispute according to Shariah law and both agree to it by their own free will then why not... (obviously this applies to civil matters not criminal)
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Why if some wanted it for criminal, would they not have the right to ask for the change in a democratic manner? (not circumventing the law, but trying to change it)
I see you were talking about physical attacks, which i missed when first reading your comment, though agree.
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Well yes, but there would never be enough support for that here as things stand.
That has no bearing on the point she made whatsoever.
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Of coarse, my point was in reference to some parts of society saying, well if they want that then **** to a country where they have it. Which sometimes is only expressed for selected views rather than all views.
I couldn't see much scope for it unless it was an opt int
perhaps a Muslim man burgles a Muslim family and both parties agree for the case to be heard under Sharia Law....
even then you'd have to wonder if the burglar, due to his faith, is going to face unfair pressure from his family/community to go for the Sharia option... which, if it isn't something he actually wants, isn't a good situation.
You can't obviously start applying it to the whole population either or introduce new offenses which don't currently exist... it would have to be voluntary and potentially would be a bit of a farce... could see it working for civil matters perhaps
I think it's important to remember that British Muslims are more likely to be stuck by lightning than the victim of an anti-Muslim attack in the UK.
That particular nugget certainly doesn't make it OK, but that's the sort of nonsense that people are using to justify doing nothing in the wake of the Woolwich atrocity.
Not all muslims are nutters hell bent of death and destruction , this is worth mentioning
I wonder what most Islamic extremists think about the WBC? Probably wholeheartedly agree with them but think their methods are a little weaksauce.
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So they arrest people for writing down comments, but look at the amount of anti British etc videos marchs etc... yet none are arrested for that.
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They can be, in fact I would say if you put up a video inciting racial hatred on YouTube, you'd be subject to Police action unless YouTube remove it first. Marches are also subject to arrests, but it tends to be done after the march is over.
I can be arrested for making a racist comment online now can i?
I wouldn't have thought it was for criminal matters.