Woolwich serious incident

zoomee said:
EDL blamed by the family of the murdered old muslim in birmingham, with evidence of death threats from them:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-22665571

Nice to see the EDL are the winners in all this community tensions.....
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http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/22/ukcrime.race


You don't hear about those murders do you !!!


Somehow they are always the victim. (Muslims) didn't take long to start moaning they feel unsafe and threatened, how about the rest of us who are targets for some members of your group.
 
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badcompany said:
http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/22/ukcrime.race


You don't hear about those murders do you !!!
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Oh I see. The EDL are just keeping things even then?

How is your link related to a critical article on the EDL?

50% of racially motivated crimes being white is still proportionally low if you want to play with statistics. It can be spun either way. They are all as bad as each other, and you do hear them in the news.
 
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badcompany said:
You don't hear about those murders do you !!!
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Nice - pick an article from 2006 why don't you? lol
Guess you missed this bit also:
In 1999 the Commission for Racial Equality published a report that concluded that most racial crimes were committed against white people, although it pointed out that at the time white people made up 94 per cent of the population and that, proportionally, black and Asian people were still far more likely to be victims of race attacks.

The report suggested that white people might also be more likely to report a crime such as a street robbery carried out by a black person as a racial incident.
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It also goes on to state that white people were more likely to report a crime as being racist.......

anyways - I'm not playing the race card like you are. Because unlike you I know the difference between the extremist EDL and the average joe.
And you are unlikely to be a target of terrorism - more chance of getting hit by a bus tbh, just sponging in the media's hysteria are you?

You’re More Likely to Die from Brain-Eating Parasites, Alcoholism, Obesity, Medical Errors, Risky Sexual Behavior or Just About Anything OTHER THAN Terrorism:
– You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack
– You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack
— You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane
— You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack
–You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack
— You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack
– You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack
–You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack
–You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack
–You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist
–You are 8 times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack
– You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack
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RDM said:
Your grasp of statistics fails...
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Let's say x% of the white population is racist and y% of the non-white population is racist.

85% of the population is white.

If at random 2 parties were to meet who would suffer at the hands of a racist?

What values of x and y are needed for the split to be 50:50?

Given x% and y% the split due to random chance would be

x.(0.85).(1-0.85).(1-y) vs y.(1-0.85).(0.85).(1-x)

Solve x and y such that the LHS=RHS. I think that's the probability.

I'll solve it now and see.

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Does x have to equal y? Taking 5% as a random figure as the proportion of racists in any given population.

5% of the 85% white population meeting at random the 15% non white population who themselves aren't racist is ~0.006.

5% of the 15% non-white population meeting at random the 85% white population who themselves aren't racist is ~0.006.

They are equal at every point x=y.

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Now we have to look at absolute numbers.

0.006*0.85= 0.005
0.006*.015=0.0009

So at 5% white victims should outnumber non-white victims by 0.005/0.0009.

Now solve again to ensure that ratio is equal, i.e. =1.

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x.(0.85)=y(0.15)

This means that 5.66x = y.

So for it to be even, the proportion of white racists needs to be over 5x higher for there to be an even number of racist attacks.
 
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But at the same time you have a much smaller proportion of the population committing more racially motivated crimes. Using your numbers you have 15% of the population committing 50% of the crimes and 85% of the population committing 50% of the crimes.
 
RDM said:
But at the same time you have a much smaller proportion of the population committing more racially motivated crimes. Using your numbers you have 15% of the population committing 50% of the crimes and 85% of the population committing 50% of the crimes.
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No because you require either there to be more white racists for it to work or for white racists to seek out non-whites for the numbers to be similar (or as suggested above a difference in the prevalence of reporting to the police). It is far easier for a non-white racist to get in an altercation with a white person and that is why there is that effect.

If you had a population with 850 white people and 150 non-white people and 50 of each group were victims of racial crime think about the probabilities required for that to happen.
 
zoomee said:
Nice - pick an article from 2006 why don't you? lol
Guess you missed this bit also:


It also goes on to state that white people were more likely to report a crime as being racist.......

anyways - I'm not playing the race card like you are. Because unlike you I know the difference between the extremist EDL and the average joe.
And you are unlikely to be a target of terrorism - more chance of getting hit by a bus tbh, just sponging in the media's hysteria are you?
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sorry not got latest statistics have you? I was talking about MURDERS not attacks.
 
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UncleRuckus said:
"Bolshevik boot boys" from the 70's is the first to come to mind.
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Amusing how the Socialist Worker jumps onto the bandwagon and pretends to be against Islamophobia, yet awkwardly they also have to be against homophobia and misogamy too, which are the two things not well supported by first gen Muslims.

Clearly they have just as much reason to condemn Islamic culture in Pakistan and Afghanistan as the EDL do :o
 
It does seem like a strange situation - hardcore left wing groups joining up with Islamic groups containing peope with fairly blatant homophobic and antisemetic views.

Stranger still that the EDL is pro zionist and even has a jewish wing.

some rather dubious and unnatural alliances
 
scorza said:
Because they're fighting in a war in Afghanistan which is a primitive country where this sort of thing goes on. Honestly, listening to some people you get the impression that Taliban prisoners should be offered asylum and shipped off to the UK at the first opportunity to protect their "yuman rites".
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Of course, but it would probably be deemed irresponsible and unfair to hand prisoners over knowing that they will receive some terrible treatment. We're better than that.
 
muon said:
Let's say x% of the white population is racist and y% of the non-white population is racist.

85% of the population is white.

If at random 2 parties were to meet who would suffer at the hands of a racist?

What values of x and y are needed for the split to be 50:50?

Given x% and y% the split due to random chance would be

x.(0.85).(1-0.85).(1-y) vs y.(1-0.85).(0.85).(1-x)

Solve x and y such that the LHS=RHS. I think that's the probability.

I'll solve it now and see.

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Does x have to equal y? Taking 5% as a random figure as the proportion of racists in any given population.

5% of the 85% white population meeting at random the 15% non white population who themselves aren't racist is ~0.006.

5% of the 15% non-white population meeting at random the 85% white population who themselves aren't racist is ~0.006.

They are equal at every point x=y.

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Now we have to look at absolute numbers.

0.006*0.85= 0.005
0.006*.015=0.0009

So at 5% white victims should outnumber non-white victims by 0.005/0.0009.

Now solve again to ensure that ratio is equal, i.e. =1.

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x.(0.85)=y(0.15)

This means that 5.66x = y.

So for it to be even, the proportion of white racists needs to be over 5x higher for there to be an even number of racist attacks.
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Wow... did anyone read the WHOLE article here as that is what this 50/50 split argument came from?

Overall, there have been 10 black victims and 16 Asian victims. Of the 58 race murders, 18 have been where a white attacker has killed a black or Asian individual and another 14 where one member of a minority group has murdered another for racial reasons.
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That's nearly a 50/50 split where the MURDERER of the ethnic minority is also of an ethnic minority.



There is also figures for the white victims where some of them were committed by white people and gave the English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh "race" possibilities.
 
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