Woolwich serious incident

LOAM · 30 Nov 2013 at 05:54

Trials where the primary objectives of the perpetrator is attention shouldn't be reported, they should just report that its started, concluded and what the result was. The media circus surrounding it is just what they want.

cainer · 19 Dec 2013 at 12:53

both been found guilty, no surprise there really

Danthus · 19 Dec 2013 at 12:54

cainer said:
both been found guilty, no surprise there realy

Did the jury walk out, turn around and come straight back in?

Pigeon_Killer · 19 Dec 2013 at 12:55

They'll no doubt get life sentences but life should mean life in cases like this. Stick the vermin in a pit and give them chicken feed for the rest of their lives.

Arazi · 19 Dec 2013 at 12:56

Dirty horrible scum, can we send them somewhere to have the same treatment they dished out please.

Danthus · 19 Dec 2013 at 12:56

Not guilty of the attempted murder of a police officer.

Spook187 · 19 Dec 2013 at 12:58

Pigeon_Killer said:
They'll no doubt get life sentences but life should mean life in cases like this. Stick the vermin in a pit and give them chicken feed for the rest of their lives.

Indeed, also cut their arms off so they can scratt about like chickens.

setter · 19 Dec 2013 at 13:08

OldCoals said:
Did the jury walk out, turn around and come straight back in?

Apparently they took 90 minutes to reach a verdict. Im also quite surprised that they were found not guilty of attempted murder of a police officer. Did the one with the gun not fire at officers who had arrived on the scene?

Pigeon_Killer · 19 Dec 2013 at 13:10

Listening to Lee's Mum and Dad talk on BBC News is heartbreaking

Not an episode of Panorama I plan to watch.

DJMK4 · 19 Dec 2013 at 14:03

cainer said:
both been found guilty, no surprise there really

Did they decide this when they re-watched the footage of the guy at the scene holding a meat cleaver covered in blood :confused:

Freakbro · 19 Dec 2013 at 14:13

DJMK4 said:
Did they decide this when they re-watched the footage of the guy at the scene holding a meat cleaver covered in blood

No-one was disputing they killed him, just whether it was murder or not, as I believe the defendants claimed it was a killing of an enemy soldier?

bazaarboy · 19 Dec 2013 at 14:15

what was the basis of their defense?
seems like it was a massive waste of court time

PapaLazaru · 19 Dec 2013 at 14:17

bazaarboy said:
what was the basis of their defense?

That they are soldiers fighting in a war so it does not count, basically.

setter · 19 Dec 2013 at 14:20

PapaLazaru said:
That they are soldiers fighting in a war so it does not count, basically.

Basically the same defence as used by loyalist/republican terrorists here in northern ireland.

Mr Jack · 19 Dec 2013 at 14:23

OldCoals said:
Did the jury walk out, turn around and come straight back in?

90 minutes deliberation, apparently. I presume that was pretty much all on the second charge of attempted murder of a Police Officer.

tom_e · 19 Dec 2013 at 14:35

To be fair that charge was shaky at best I'm sure I read it was based on the fact one of them walked a bit too close to the cop car with the cleaver held over his head, which while threatening doesn't really come close to attempting to murder someone.

Dj_Jestar · 19 Dec 2013 at 15:35

The attempted murder charge was brought up because he pointed the gun at the police, which is when they shot him. Pointing a gun at someone if sufficient to charge them with attempted murder - especially in those circumstances.

XeNoN89 · 19 Dec 2013 at 15:48

Dj_Jestar said:
The attempted murder charge was brought up because he pointed the gun at the police, which is when they shot him. Pointing a gun at someone if sufficient to charge them with attempted murder - especially in those circumstances.

The gun wasn't loaded, they had no ammunition for it and it wasn;t in working order, which is why they got found not guilty for attempted murder of a police officer.

They took that gun with them purely so that the police would shoot them

DJMK4 · 19 Dec 2013 at 15:53

Freakbro said:
No-one was disputing they killed him, just whether it was murder or not, as I believe the defendants claimed it was a killing of an enemy soldier?

Of course it is murder

They were not even military personnel

Dj_Jestar · 19 Dec 2013 at 16:14

XeNoN89 said:
The gun wasn't loaded, they had no ammunition for it and it wasn;t in working order, which is why they got found not guilty for attempted murder of a police officer.

thus the equittal..

XeNoN89 said:
They took that gun with them purely so that the police would shoot them

It's still grounds for attempted murder. As evidenced by them being charged with it.