Woolwich serious incident

bitslice · 23 May 2013 at 09:24

spoffle said:
I really don't think it's a job for "the Muslim community" as such, because that's almost taking on the responsibility or blame for the actions committed by these people.
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I didn't mean to connect the community with this recent event, I was just referring to aspects of the imported culture regarding women, which don't really fit well in existing UK culture.

Shayper · 23 May 2013 at 09:24

mattyg said:
Actually smoking weed.Yes

But how does that weed become smoked. It has to break many laws before it gets to the end user. What do these drug dealers do with their money. Where do the big profits from the guys at the top go towards.

When a dealer gets paid for this weed does he inform HMRC of his earnings and pay tax?

Which is why the law making it illegal is silly. If it were to be made legal, it could be regulated and the government would probably draw a large profit.

deuse · 23 May 2013 at 09:25

spoffle said:
Yes, the law is the law, that's why it's called the law...

Let me ask you again. If it was illegal to be gay and do a bit of bum love, would you report your neighbors if you found out they were partial to a bit of bum love?

Which part of the law is the law don't you understand? are you acting thick or looking for an argument? I take it you are a gay(hate that word) person.

Again. Back on topic.

Shayper · 23 May 2013 at 09:25

bitslice said:
I didn't mean to connect the community with this recent event, I was just referring to aspects of the imported culture regarding women, which don't really fit well in existing UK culture.

The Lad Culture would deign to disagree with you.

spoffle · 23 May 2013 at 09:25

joelk2 said:
partly i agree. but they guy himself said and i quote "We swear by almighty allah, we will never stop fighting you"

how its that not religion?

IRA = war over religion
Afghanistan, 9/11, london bombings = Religion caused.

Religion is not a sentient being (I have a feeling you'll need to google that).

If I go and dole out a punishment beating on some random person in the name of joelk2 from OcUK forums, do you accept responsibility for my actions and allow people to blame you for what I did?

mattyg · 23 May 2013 at 09:25

spoffle said:
Tell me more about how anecdotes prove your point.

I think you need to talk to "frank"

joelk2 · 23 May 2013 at 09:25

Shayper said:
Well no, again it's people using religion as an excuse. They would still commit atrocities even if religion was not a thing.

read your previous quote too quickly, they are using it as an excuse.

but still they see it all the time with the terror attacks so it would appear that the excuse "religion" is the cause.

cheechm · 23 May 2013 at 09:26

Musty Pie said:
I smell a lock coming on.

Indeed. How the conversation has progressed onto illegal drugs is beyond me. Completely irrelevant.

spoffle · 23 May 2013 at 09:26

deuse said:
Which part of the law is the law don't you understand? are you acting thick or looking for an argument? I take it you are a gay(hate that word) person.

Again. Back on topic.

I'd just like to see you make a yes or no response to that question.

Freakbro · 23 May 2013 at 09:26

mattyg said:
What do these drug dealers do with their money. Where do the big profits from the guys at the top go towards.

When a dealer gets paid for this weed does he inform HMRC of his earnings and pay tax?

Which are all agreements for regulation and legislation, like the sale of other drugs, such as alcohol and nicotine, not arguments for continued prohibition.

Jason2 · 23 May 2013 at 09:26

You know what, I'm not getting involved in this silly debate. Some poor soul has lost his life in the most horrific of circumstances. My thoughts are with him and his family at this extremely difficult time.

May God bless him.

And to the perpetrators? May you rot in hell, you sick *******s.

deuse · 23 May 2013 at 09:26

Shayper said:
Which is why the law making it illegal is silly. If it were to be made legal, it could be regulated and the government would probably draw a large profit.

Then the dealers would sell it cheaper and not pay any tax so back to square one.

bitslice · 23 May 2013 at 09:26

Shayper said:
pretty much every muslim I know isn't misogynistic.

I don't care about your social circle,
I'm talking about the fairly obvious section of the Muslim community that is clearly misogynist.

Shayper · 23 May 2013 at 09:27

deuse said:
Which part of the law is the law don't you understand? are you acting thick or looking for an argument? I take it you are a gay(hate that word) person.

Again. Back on topic.

The part where some laws are downright derptastic? The part that you don't seem to understand? If it were illegal to be a homosexual (is that word better?) then I can only assume that you would shop anyone you know who had even mild homosexual tendencies. Which would make you a morally bad person.

Morals>law tbh.

spoffle · 23 May 2013 at 09:27

mattyg said:
I think you need to talk to "frank"

Is frank another one of your anecdotes that prove without reasonable doubt that your personal experience is the definitive one?

Gilly · 23 May 2013 at 09:27

Robbo said:
I'd pay a hell of a lot more than that to avoid going on a bus.

Agreed.

Get off the peasant wagon.

Shayper said:
Which is why the law making it illegal is silly. If it were to be made legal, it could be regulated and the government would probably draw a large profit.

...and yet legalising it is a bad idea

Having said that, make a new thread for that please, let's get this one back on topic.

mattyg · 23 May 2013 at 09:27

Shayper said:
Which is why the law making it illegal is silly. If it were to be made legal, it could be regulated and the government would probably draw a large profit.

Same argument could be said for Lets make speeding legal then and tax that.

mattyg · 23 May 2013 at 09:28

spoffle said:
Is frank another one of your anecdotes that prove without reasonable doubt that your personal experience is the definitive one?

Definitive.

Dealing drugs is illegal-definitive

agnes · 23 May 2013 at 09:28

I have only just read about this tragic incident. How sad that terrorists really have to do such acts and not fight like real men.

Thoughts are with family and friends of the soldier.

p.s. yes I live under a rock, work takes over my life

Shayper · 23 May 2013 at 09:29

joelk2 said:
read your previous quote too quickly, they are using it as an excuse.

but still they see it all the time with the terror attacks so it would appear that the excuse "religion" is the cause.

I think you've still missed my point.

HUMAN NATURE is the cause.

deuse said:
Then the dealers would sell it cheaper and not pay any tax so back to square one.

The government could MASSIVELY undercut dealers and still make a huge profit.

bitslice said:
I don't care about your social circle,
I'm talking about the fairly obvious section of the Muslim community that is clearly misogynist.

What, the extremists? Just like the extremist Christians that believe the same? Just like people who don't follow any religion who believe the same?