Woolwich serious incident

Jason2 said:
We've seen the ones who killed the ones with vision
Cold-blooded murder right before your eyes
Today they hold the power and the money and the guns
It's getting hard to listen to their lies.


And I've just got to wonder what my Daddy would've done
If he'd seen the way they turned his dream around
I've got to go by what he told me, try to tell the truth
And stand your ground
DON'T LET THE *******S GET YOU DOWN!!!
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I'm sorry... what.
 
Jason2 said:
Their holy book condones this, this is why they do it. This so called prophet Mohammed took a 9 year old girl and RAPED her. So Muslims around the world now believe that's what they should do because they believe that their prophet Mohammed did.
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Your book condones this.

It's so easy to ignore everything bad about your own religion, isn't it.

(This isn't a religion bashing post, merely proving a point)
 
dowie said:
err what? LOL

Recognised by whom exactly... I don't recall many Taliban embassies even in Islamic states. As for 'ruling party' you make it sound like they were elected. Afghanistan was mostly (and parts still are) under occupation by the Taliban - they weren't elected, they imposed their harsh laws on the population and when they refused to hand over bin laden/close the training camps the US/UK backed their opposition and turned some Taliban leaders against the rest and briefly occupied the country too... Though at least we've since put into place something resembling a Government.
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I think you need to learn a bit more history. I very carefully didn't say they were elected, and they don't have to be to be recognised as the 'ruling party'.

Recognised by whom you say? Well, diplomatic recognition was only given by 3 countries, but interaction with them by the wider community was normal. There was a time before the name Taliban was synonymous with Terrorist.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm

The Americans here, when they invited Taliban officials to the US to sign a gas pipeline deal across Afghanistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

The Taliban (Pashto: طالبان‎ ṭālibān "students"), alternative spelling Taleban,[6] is an Islamic fundamentalist political movement in Afghanistan. It spread into Afghanistan and formed a government, ruling as the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan from September 1996 until December 2001, with Kandahar as the capital
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Sounds like the ruling party to me...
 
Shayper said:
Fundamentalist. Not your everyday muslim. Most muslims in the UK DO NOT THINK LIKE THAT. THEY ARE NOT MISOGYNISTIC.
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I never pretended they were a majority, just that that they existed (the same point spoffle made, that they imported this culture from a backward country)

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For those who actually have an understanding of the topic they are trying to discuss, they will know that hating women and removing their rights is not an Islamic trait, but a cultural one based upon the backward cultures of some people who follow the religion simply because that's the religion of flavour from where they are from.


It is this minor group that the community could be doing something more to integrate.

Instead you go off on a rant about something else? This is why I suggest you don't actually read what is written, you just look at the name tag.
 
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Craterloads said:
This man was a serving soldier who had seen action (the attackers stated and knew this), it’s no different to the killings of Afghans whilst in non-combative situations, which happens all the time. If one is just, so is the other.
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That is really poor logic even for you. It is VERY different.

It assumes the chap had killed innocents - we don't know this.


To take your position to its logical conclusion it now means I can come around your house and kick the **** out of you because you are Muslim and so were the people who did this.

Now that would be pretty daft of me to because I then would be assuming you held not only the same beliefs as those two but also would perform similar actions. See that is prejudicial - I would attributing the actions of a few Muslims onto all Muslims. In the same way you support and explain these actions by saying it is the same when it quite clearly is not.

The fact is people like you justify this action and spend more time trying to explain it than castigate it in the strongest terms. The fact is people like you in doing so allow radicalisation to flourish unchallenged and lightly challenged and therefore propagate such things.

Maybe just maybe if you spent the time on you do on here doing something more fruitful like challenging all the radicalised preaching in this country then maybe just maybe people like me would believe that Muslims are doing all they can do address the issues that come from their communities. Until then I see you and the Muslim community as a big part of this problem.
 
dowie said:
They weren't soldiers... they had no link to Afghanistan other than a shared belief in a magical sky pixie - the fact that you, a Muslim, can somehow empathise with this and compare it with a situation that isn't even remotely comparable is quite clearly part of the problem we have in the UK. Its not just the extremist Muslims but the people like you who seek to semi-justify it along the lines of murder is bad but... (insert semi justification). Islam is a disease, Religion is a disease... the sooner we have better science education in our Schools and people no longer share these stupid stone aged beliefs the better. The fact is that even drawing a picture of Mohammed will annoy not just these supposed few extremists but it will cause a whole bunch of bearded lunatics to come to the streets and demonstrate how backwards and irrational they all are. Islam and other religions are a total joke.
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I have to say, you kind of nailed it with that post. This atrocity was far more about the twisted religious fanaticism of the attackers than any foreign policy issues of this government. They both play a role, but it's the religious element that drives it forward by supplanting their conscious morality with the dogma of religious morality. Any Muslim who tries to make excuses for this should be ashamed.
 
Shayper said:
Oh dear, I'm glad I wasn't around in the darker days then :(
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You really wouldn't have liked it.

The one that sticks out stark as the day I read it is a wheelchair-bound individual actually making the statement "if it isn't white it isn't right".

I took great pleasure in banning him, and to be fair he'd had it coming a long time.
 
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Supporters of the English Defence League (EDL) gathered at Woolwich Arsenal train station near the scene and threw bottles at police.
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...because that is the way to protest against someone you don't want here.

Well, Mr EDL, I don't want you here. What do we do now?
 
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