Woolwich serious incident

Xordium said:
Because he was off duty and in a non-serving capacity, not threatening the people who killed him. Therefore, he was a non-combatant at the time they killed him
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Yet we and our allies find no problem in killing non-combatants all the time. In fact funerals are deemed legitmate target by us and our allies.

50 civilians were killed in follow-up strikes when they had gone to help victims and more than 20 civilians have also been attacked in deliberate strikes on funerals and mourners.”
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http://rt.com/news/drones-us-al-qaeda-militants-649/

We take out high ranking low ranking dudes all the times in non-combatant situations. In fact we and our allies are handing out medals to these guys

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/13/16952708-panetta-announces-medal-for-drone-pilots?lite


But you are a Muslim and therefore aligned to those two. Therefore, if you are allowed to attribute illegal killings by a few soldiers in Afghanistan onto someone who it is statistically likely did not do such an action then I would be equally able to do the same to you. So can I come around and give you a slap or would that be stupid? Or do you only follow through the logic when it suits your purpose which is why people like you are part of the proble,m.
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I'm not talking about illegal killings, i'm talking about state sanctioned legal killings, pre-emptive strikes, training camps, funerals etc. This is war, do you think only one side has the right to do attack the other in their home lands? Being of the same underlying faith and being a serving member of an Army, i'm sure you can grasp the differences.


You are comparing a person who is in a non-combatant role minding their business to someone who is in an active combatant role performing illegal actions against their rules of engagement.
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Are people at funerals active combatants? Are target assignation victims in a combatitive role when they are killed? Are people in training camps legitimate targets? (you know like barracks) This man was a serving soldier of the opposite side to these men.

Yes you are justifying it and can't see the difference which is why I say you and people like you are part of the problem. You seemingly can't tell the difference which either makes you a) not that clever or the more likely b) an apologist for barbarity.
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Again I’m not justifying anything, just pointing out we do the same and treat these actions as heroic, yet the opposing side does similar it's somehow barbaric.

You are guessing. I would suspect you would know it's hardly a secret. As someone who grew up in those foreign lands - well bordering them - I think people like you should have a serious think about what they hell you are going on about, get educated about the issues and stop justifying barbarity. For the record I did challenge the decisions, I did challenge illegal actions both by our troops and the US troops and I pressured for policy change to prevent future occurrences. Maybe you should look at my sig it may give you a clue when you are accusing me .. but I guess you can't read it ...
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Stop pretending I’m justifying these actions because I’m not, i've stated numerous times they are disgusting as are the actions carried out by our forces.
 
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Craterloads said:
Yet we and our allies find no problem in killing non-combatants all the time. In fact funerals are deemed legitmate taarget by us and out allies.



http://rt.com/news/drones-us-al-qaeda-militants-649/

We take out high ranking low ranking dudes all the times in non-combatant situations. In fact we and our allies are handing out medals to these guys

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/13/16952708-panetta-announces-medal-for-drone-pilots?lite




I'm not talking about illegal killings, i'm talking about state sanctioned legal killings, pre-emptive strikes, training camps, funerals etc. This is war, do you think only one side has the right to do attack the other in their home lands? Being of the same underlying faith and being a serving member of an Army, i'm sure you can grasp the differences.




Are people at funerals active combatants? Are target assignation victims in a combatitive role when they are killed? Are people in training camps legitimate targets? (you know like barracks) This man was a serving soldier of the opposite side to these men.



Again I’m not justifying anything, just pointing out we do the same and treat these actions as heroic, yet the opposing side does similar it's somehow barbaric.



Stop pretending I’m justifying these actions because I’m not, vie stated numerous times they are disgusting as are the actions carried out by our forces.



So what exactly have you done to change the situation bar justify the actions of murderers?
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It's the taliban who kills innocent civilians, not our troops Cool it on the insults or you will be suspended.
 
Craterloads said:
Yet we and our allies find no problem in killing non-combatants all the time. In fact funerals are deemed legitmate taarget by us and out allies.



http://rt.com/news/drones-us-al-qaeda-militants-649/

We take out high ranking low ranking dudes all the times in non-combatant situations. In fact we and our allies are handing out medals to these guys

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/13/16952708-panetta-announces-medal-for-drone-pilots?lite




I'm not talking about illegal killings, i'm talking about state sanctioned legal killings, pre-emptive strikes, training camps, funerals etc. This is war, do you think only one side has the right to do attack the other in their home lands? Being of the same underlying faith and being a serving member of an Army, i'm sure you can grasp the differences.




Are people at funerals active combatants? Are target assignation victims in a combatitive role when they are killed? Are people in training camps legitimate targets? (you know like barracks) This man was a serving soldier of the opposite side to these men.



Again I’m not justifying anything, just pointing out we do the same and treat these actions as heroic, yet the opposing side does similar it's somehow barbaric.



Stop pretending I’m justifying these actions because I’m not, vie stated numerous times they are disgusting as are the actions carried out by our forces.



So what exactly have you done to change the situation bar justify the actions of murderers?
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I feel like I'm the only one who isn't taking your postings out of context.
 
Jason2 said:
No white British person would vote for a Muslim PM.
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I'm white and British and I would vote for a Muslim PM if I thought he/she had good policies and would make a strong leader. So that kind of blows your theory out of the water straight away.
 
Xordium said:
And would you have made the same protestations when the same order was given after the incident I mentioned earlier although in fairness you'd have been like 8 or 9 at the time.
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I haven't seen your post that you refer to sorry, point it out to me and I will happily reply.
 
Gilly said:
Rubbish. Complete and utter rubbish.
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Well you can go ahead and continue to stick your head in the sand if you wish but it's entirely true.

My ex-wife was fairly 'devout' (she prayed most days but not eveyday) and didn't even wear a hijab. All her friends and family (i'd say i knew close to 100) pretty much all of them had this attitude. I can only count one guy who didn't want that mostly because he loved sleeping around.
 
Jason2 said:
It's the taliban who kills innocent civilians, not our troops you absolute twerp.
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UK troops are well documented as having killed a fair amount of innocent civilians.

You should look up "collateral damage" (and no, not the movie) to get a better insight in to what happens in times of conflict.
 
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