Woolwich serious incident

Gilly · 23 May 2013 at 13:05

You seem to have ignored the vast majority of my post.

CREATIVE!11 said:
I should grow up?

Yes.

CREATIVE!11 said:
Go read the Facebook EDL page, I've just seen a bunch of different black faces posting on there. I didn't see any racism directed towards them.

I'm disgusted that an overtly racist group is allowed to have a Facebook page.

Locky · 23 May 2013 at 13:05

CREATIVE!11 said:
Pakistan for example.

Think they would tolerate a bunch of Brits coming over living in isolated societies preaching Christianity and spreading anti Islam/Pakistani messages?

Really?

Massively agree, the church would be burned down and your head on a stick with folk chanting around it.

RDM · 23 May 2013 at 13:05

spoffle said:
I'm Somalian! (I'm not) does that make me not British because I claim I'm not?

Maybe if I claim to be a Marsian, I can be considered an Alien?

Surely how you self identify is the most important aspect of nationality rather than arbitrary things like birthplace and race?

Locky · 23 May 2013 at 13:05

Gilly said:
You seem to have ignored the vast majority of my post.

Yes.

I'm disgusted that an overtly racist group is allowed to have a Facebook page.

Just like the Muslim hate pages?

[TW]Fox · 23 May 2013 at 13:06

What if they were just random nut jobs shouting whatever they thought they needed to for maximum attention and were not actual jihadists at all?

Danthus · 23 May 2013 at 13:06

Arthur Hucksake said:
We are not a multi-cultural society. That shipped has failed and sailed.

We are a multi-national country. It's about time people understood that and learned to accept it.

This country is both of these things.

The issue is how all the different cultures and nationalities integrate.

CREATIVE!11 · 23 May 2013 at 13:07

Gilly said:
What problem, exactly?

Segregation with lack of integration. I just read a news story couple weeks back they were talking about similar problems Sweden is facing.

You have idealistic and deluded views if you think this is all just going to carry on hunky dory, it's only going to get worse.

Gilly · 23 May 2013 at 13:08

Locky said:
Just like the Muslim hate pages?

I should imagine, without having visited it because I should hate for anyone to see, know of or heard about me visiting an EDL Facebook page (I would be ashamed of it) that the EDL Facebook page is a Muslim hate page.

CREATIVE!11 said:
Segregation with lack of integration. I just read a news story couple weeks back they were talking about similar problems Sweden is facing.

You have idealistic and deluded views if you think this is all just going to carry on hunky dory, it's only going to get worse.

And oppression is the answer?

merlin · 23 May 2013 at 13:08

I blame youtube.

eatcustard · 23 May 2013 at 13:09

Gilly said:
I'm disgusted that an overtly racist group is allowed to have a Facebook page.

EDL is not a racist group, but an xenophobic group, its a big difference
Go on a march and you will see, white and black blokes there and you will also find Jews, Hindus and other religions marching with the EDL.

Maccy · 23 May 2013 at 13:09

Gilly said:
I should imagine, without having visited it because I should hate for anyone to see, know of or heard about me visiting an EDL Facebook page (I would be ashamed of it) that the EDL Facebook page is a Muslim hate page.

I had a quick look earlier as I wondered this. My suspicions were correct.

Danthus · 23 May 2013 at 13:10

People self segregate, it is human nature to group with people of the same ilk. Birds of a feather.

That is exactly why you can not force multiculturalism, if it is to work it has to happen naturally, not as the result of some great experiment by the powers that be.

deanolfc · 23 May 2013 at 13:10

The left cries out racism at every opportunity as a final argument to quell criticism.

Gilly · 23 May 2013 at 13:10

eatcustard said:
EDL is not a racist group, but an xenophobic group, its a big difference
Go on a march and you will see, white and black blokes there and you will also find Jews, Hindus and other religions marching with the EDL.

The only supporters of EDL I have ever had the misfortune to encounter have been white supremacists.

Maccy said:
I had a quick look earlier as I wondered this. My suspicions were correct.

Thanks for confirmation. Sorry you felt you had to visit it

Locky · 23 May 2013 at 13:11

Gilly said:
I should imagine, without having visited it because I should hate for anyone to see, know of or heard about me visiting an EDL Facebook page (I would be ashamed of it) that the EDL Facebook page is a Muslim hate page.

And oppression is the answer?

Ok I should have worded it better, I mean the Hate pages created by extreme Muslims to stir up hate in this country, they are worse than EDL imo. The EDL is just a mindless skinhead gange that everyone mocks and jokes about.

Arthur Hucksake · 23 May 2013 at 13:11

spoffle said:
Yes, we are.

We are not. The key is in the word "cultural". We are not and never should be. We are a multi-national society.

That incorrect buzzword crap has been floating about since the last Labour government failed hard.

Multi-culturalism promotes segregation and enclaves, not integration.

We do not nationally celebrate other festivities. If we did, i'd be all for it. That's a whole lot more bank holidays.

We cannot accept cultural Islam into Britain because my wife would never wear a ninja outfit, I tried putting a bag over her head a few times but she got a bit upset.

CREATIVE!11 · 23 May 2013 at 13:11

Gilly said:
And oppression is the answer?

Where did I once state oppression is the answer? oh how badly oppressed they would all be if we forced them to be British. They wouldn't have to wear burkas(which they don't really want to do they are just socially conditioned from children to do so via fear) any more and be forced into arranged marriages. Such a terrible fate I must say.

You make it sound as if I want to start he next Nazi party in the UK equipped with our own fully functional Gestapo to go around and beat all the darkies...

CREATIVE!11 · 23 May 2013 at 13:12

eatcustard said:
EDL is not a racist group, but an xenophobic group, its a big difference
Go on a march and you will see, white and black blokes there and you will also find Jews, Hindus and other religions marching with the EDL.

Correct,

There is actually a Jewish EDL group.

SPG · 23 May 2013 at 13:14

Another murder on the streets, a nasty crime indeed this one. Lock them up throw away the key and forget about them and there hatred.

End of story, time to move on.

This is OUR price for freedom, my heart goes to the familiy/ Friends of the victim.

spoffle · 23 May 2013 at 13:16

Arthur Hucksake said:
We are not. The key is in the word "cultural". We are not and never should be. We are a multi-national society.

That incorrect buzzword crap has been floating about since the last Labour government failed hard.

Multi-culturalism promotes segregation and enclaves, not integration.

We do not nationally celebrate other festivities. If we did, i'd be all for it. That's a whole lot more bank holidays.

We cannot accept cultural Islam into Britain because my wife would never wear a ninja outfit, I tried putting a bag over her head a few times but she got a bit upset.

Nope.