Woolwich serious incident

dirtychinchilla · 23 May 2013 at 12:28

deanolfc said:
devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty. ?

Oh come on, who really gives a ****. The idea that this country is made up by one sort of person is utter crap. Furthermore, this has nothing to do with race or religion, we are a multicultural country and I hope we retain that banner forever.

I don't see what the EDL has to do with patriotism as it represents very little about being British, except this apparently prevalent idiocy and blindness to facts.

manic111 · 23 May 2013 at 12:29

deanolfc said:
devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty. ?

I respect EDL for having the BALLS to speak out against this ****. But Chanting Gangs is not the way to go about it

And we, as a nation, have devoted ourselves to freedom and democracy since the start of WWI. If you want to be patriotic, defend freedom.

dirtychinchilla · 23 May 2013 at 12:29

manic111 said:
And we, as a nation, have devoted ourselves to freedom and democracy since the start of WWI. If you want to be patriotic, defend freedom.

Fantastically said!

cheechm · 23 May 2013 at 12:30

The fact the EDL page has got something like 75,000 likes overnight proves a common flaw with the UK population: ignorance breeds hate.

Danthus · 23 May 2013 at 12:31

cheechm said:
The fact the EDL page has got something like 75,000 likes overnight proves a common flaw with the UK population: ignorance breeds hate.

Ignorance also breeds extremists.

Xordium · 23 May 2013 at 12:31

elmarko said:
I also think it's a bit odd to put the blame onto people who just share the same religion - I'm not responsible for the actions of other atheists.

Err there is a big different between actively choosing to follow a faith and a lack of belief. You don't pop out a believer.

Part of actively joining something is having a responsibility towards that collective. For example for me. Where I saw bad practice in the NHS the onus on me was to challenge or whistleblow which I did. Where I saw illegal actions in the military the onus was on me to challenge and whistleblow which I did. If I actively chose to follow a faith and elements of that faith were equally far removed from the accepted line then the onus on me would be to challenge or whistleblow especially if encouraging illegal actions.

UncleRuckus · 23 May 2013 at 12:33

In the newsroom:

Editor: "Right this looks bad for Muslims, go out and and find me something we can counter this with"

Journo hack: " What like the EDL demo or BNP tweets boss?"

Editor: "No, we need a new angle. Go and get me a far right lone wolf story or something about how the far right are planning to start a civil war. Get me anything and quick!"

Gilly · 23 May 2013 at 12:34

deanolfc said:
devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty. ?

I respect EDL for having the BALLS to speak out against this ****. But Chanting Gangs is not the way to go about it

I have nil respect for EDL because they are racist thugs.

Chanting gangs aren't the way forwards? What about attacking police then? :rolleyes:

Delvis · 23 May 2013 at 12:35

Gilly said:
I have nil respect for EDL because they are racist thugs.

Chanting gangs aren't the way forwards? What about attacking police then?

Made me laugh.

ELD: Quick! Attack the Police who actually caught the attackers

deanolfc · 23 May 2013 at 12:36

manic111 said:
And we, as a nation, have devoted ourselves to freedom and democracy since the start of WWI. If you want to be patriotic, defend freedom.

Big Brother Is Here.

lixxus · 23 May 2013 at 12:37

If these Woolwich attacks reveal anything, it's that the UK houses a truly partitioned and fractured society. What a sorry state of affairs.

CREATIVE!11 · 23 May 2013 at 12:37

dirtychinchilla said:
Furthermore, this has nothing to do with race or religion, we are a multicultural country and I hope we retain that banner forevr.

lol

Good luck with that when they create parallel societies, that is NOT multiculturalism.

Gilly · 23 May 2013 at 12:39

CREATIVE!11 said:
lol

Good luck with that when they create parallel societies, that is NOT multiculturalism.

They?

CREATIVE!11 · 23 May 2013 at 12:39

Gilly said:
They?

Islam

Subliminal Aura · 23 May 2013 at 12:40

UncleRuckus said:
Editor: "No, we need a new angle. Go and get me a far right lone wolf story or something about how the far right are planning to start a civil war. Get me anything and quick!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

lixxus said:
If these Woolwich attacks reveal anything, it's that the UK houses a truly partitioned and fractured society. What a sorry state of affairs.

Nothing will be disclosed since it's been classified as 'Terrorism'

How stupid we were to give up our freedom post 9/11

Threepwood · 23 May 2013 at 12:40

It was 'we' who moved out when 'they' moved in next door. Get ur social history correct ***.

CREATIVE!11 · 23 May 2013 at 12:41

Threepwood said:
I was 'we' who moved out when 'they' moved in next door. Get ur social history correct ffs.

manic111 · 23 May 2013 at 12:42

deanolfc said:
Big Brother Is Here.

No, Big Brother would involve monitoring everyone and preventing them from holding their own views or being too free. Have you read 1984? :confused:

MookJong · 23 May 2013 at 12:42

The Guardian's crime correspondent Sandra Laville has some more details about one of the suspects in the Woolwich attack.

Michael Olumide Adebolajo, was born in Lambeth on December 10th 1984 and is of Nigerian descent. He grew up in Romford and went to Marshalls Park School in Harold Hill.He was later a student at Greenwich university and lived in that area in 2004 and 2005 in student accommodation. His family moved to Lincoln around 2004 - where Lincolnshire police said today they were searching a house on behalf of the Metropolitan police. Adeblolajo has a brother, Jeremiah and a sister, Blessing. Her home in Romford was sealed off by police officers this morning.

spoffle · 23 May 2013 at 12:43

Xordium said:
Err there is a big different between actively choosing to follow a faith and a lack of belief. You don't pop out a believer.

Part of actively joining something is having a responsibility towards that collective. For example for me. Where I saw bad practice in the NHS the onus on me was to challenge or whistleblow which I did. Where I saw illegal actions in the military the onus was on me to challenge and whistleblow which I did. If I actively chose to follow a faith and elements of that faith were equally far removed from the accepted line then the onus on me would be to challenge or whistleblow especially if encouraging illegal actions.

Very very different. Being a part of a religion isn't the same as being part of an organisation such as the NHS or the military.

Choosing to focus on people of the same religious beliefs is very arbitrary, the onus is on PEOPLE to call out others for these sort of actions, which has been done.

Religious folk aren't responsible for the actions of others just because they're part of the same religion.

Same way white folk aren't responsible for the actions of white folk, and so on.