World Cup 2010 - Final (Sunday 11th July 2010) **spoilers**

I must say that after England could not step it up and play properly the whole thing went downhill.

That was one of the best (and most deserved) eliminations of the tournament and it could only get better for their expulsion.

Cant believe how much the Dutch are crying about the ref, imagine how angry they'd be if Webb had done the right thing and sent off at least three of their players :eek:.
 
I really think the world cup final made as strong a case for the inclusion of technology as the England v Germany game and the Mexico v Argentina game. With that much tension, and that much pressure, there was so much going on, to expect three men to be capable of dealing with it all without any errors is just madness...

If they applied the rules 100% the match would have been over i think before the 90 minutes is up with Holland getting too many men sent off. Or it would have ended up 10 v 7 men with Spain winning the match with a cricket score.
 
Also, world cup 2014 final will take place on a Tuesday, 4 years tomorrow.

That’s rubbish.

The provisional dates I’ve seen for the 2014 finals are Friday 13th of June to Sunday 13th July. World cup finals do not take place on a Tuesday.
 
If they applied the rules 100% the match would have been over i think before the 90 minutes is up with Holland getting too many men sent off. Or it would have ended up 10 v 7 men with Spain winning the match with a cricket score.

So they should change the rules for the final to accommodate this brutal tactic ?

A red card is a red card.

Irrelevant if it is in a final or not.
 
Cant believe how much the Dutch are crying about the ref, imagine how angry they'd be if Webb had done the right thing and sent off at least three of their players :eek:.

If he'd booked every player by the rules the game would have been abandoned by half time. Yes the Dutch went in overly strong, however the Spanish were falling to the floor at every opportunity. Both teams were guilty of simulation (Robben being the worst for Holland) but the Spanish used these dives and rolls to greater effect. Can't help but feel that a lot of these "horror tackles" were made to look worse by the theatrics.

A terrible display by both sides, and a somewhat disappointing refereeing display from Webb. As someone else rightly said, if Webb had done his job properly he would have been slated. Its a shame that both teams knew they could cheat and effectivley get awauy with it. Its never the players fault these days is it?
 
The point is, if the refs were consistent and stuck to the rules, there wouldn't be so much of this diving and hard tackling like last night, as the players wouldn't get off with it they would have to clean up their act.

The ref last night looked like he didn't know what he was doing.

For a world cup final, that is pretty shambolic.
 
So they should change the rules for the final to accommodate this brutal tactic ?

A red card is a red card.

Irrelevant if it is in a final or not.

I am not saying it should.

But lets finish the game be declaring Spain as the automatic winner beacuse Holland got 5 men sent off by the 68th Minute even when the game was a 0-0.

That will go down well, technology or no technology.

I don't have a problem with Webb last night, best team won.
 
I am not saying it should.

But lets finish the game be declaring Spain as the automatic winner beacuse Holland got 5 men sent off by the 68th Minute even when the game was a 0-0.

That will go down well, technology or no technology.

I don't have a problem with Webb last night, best team won.

webb missed 3 red cards in the first half - he was a joke last night, holland should have had 8 men in the second half and 7 by full time.
 
webb missed 3 red cards in the first half - he was a joke last night, holland should have had 8 men in the second half and 7 by full time.

I don't think he missed them at all, he just didn't want to ruin the world cup final by sending off half the Dutch squad and making them automatically lose.

While it is indeed likely that Spain made an effort to make some of the tackles look worse then they actually were the Dutch players gave Webb no choice but to book them in almost every instance because it was still a clear foul that more often then not was obviously intentional.
 
I still am fairly curious as to peoples' thoughts on this.

Well everyone knows that Bolton and Stoke are rough up type of teams...i dont like the way they play physical football but my opinion is that teams like Arsenal need to toughen up a but and show more physicality but then half our players would be out with injuries:p.

Seriously though the only thing teams like Arsenal can do is to keep playing their brand of football and beat them that way really.
 
The world cup summed up:

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Although i wanted holland to win spain where the better side overall
i hope Van Marwijk doesnt quit or get sacked as he actually controlled the dressing room for once, there was only that one time when van persie was having a sissy fit when being subed off.

oh by the way mark van bommel a legend ;)
 
Mark Van booooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmel you mean.

Perhaps Webb should have sen't off Van Persie in the first few minutes.

He was practically useless anyway, and perhaps it would have focused the Dutch more on playing football than hack and slash. :p
 
I still am fairly curious as to peoples' thoughts on this.

Well everyone knows that Bolton and Stoke are rough up type of teams...i dont like the way they play physical football but my opinion is that teams like Arsenal need to toughen up a but and show more physicality but then half our players would be out with injuries:p.

Seriously though the only thing teams like Arsenal can do is to keep playing their brand of football and beat them that way really.

I didn't see RvP running about telling his players to calm down :p

Football has been like this ever since I can remember, you have your pretty teams and you have your hatchet teams, some can do both ;)

In short, man up you pussies!
 
Mark Van booooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmel you mean.

Perhaps Webb should have sen't off Van Persie in the first few minutes.

He was practically useless anyway, and perhaps it would have focused the Dutch more on playing football than hack and slash. :p

Villa also had a useless game, should he have been sent off for the sake of it?

ITs very clear, when a referee lets huge red card tackles go, he's opening the flood gates to worse challenges.

People are also talking absolute rubbish about the dutch in general kicking seven shades of **** out of Spain. There were 5-6 bad tackles, from 2 players mostly, both of whom should have gone, Van Bommel and De Jong, De Jong only did one bad challenge, but it was truly horrific, 98% of the rest of the "tackles" were Spanish players diving in reaction to being in the same area of the pitch as dutch players.

BOTH Heitinga's cards were pathetic, the first wasn't a freekick, I've never, EVER seen a ref play no advantage, give no freekick, wait for a player to kick the ball out, then go and yellow card a player a minute or two later. It should be noted that it was a clear dive with no contact to make him go down, and that he was down for a couple minutes and was up the very second the yellow came out.

Ref's will PLAY AN ADVANTAGE, then pull it back or play on and give a yellow card, playing an advantage denotes he's accepted its a foul but has given the team a better chance to get forward, he played no advantage, Spain went backwards, about 20 yards before Alonso played it out.

Players specifically dived by constantly running into those they thought they could get sent off. Robben only went down a couple times all evening(more so in previous games, to be fair he wasn't on the ball so had little chance to dive).

The fact is if Webb had given RVP an early yellow and sent off De Jong as he without question should have, the dutch would have made less tackles, but the Spanish(iniesta in particular) would have still dived.

People are spouting rubbish about if he had been red carding people the game would have been abandoned, its when ref's are ridiculously lenient that games get out of control.

Likewise this utter crap from commentators, columnists, pundits saying the ref did his best to finish the game with 11 on both teams, thats not his job, his job is to enforce the rules not keep the numbers even. His job was to send of De Jong, and probably Van Bommel, but had he sent one off, the other probably wouldn't have done much else in the game, and both made next to no fouls in the second half because they knew they were one foul from a red, the only difference was they'd be towing that line a lot earlier if the ref had some balls.

Don't forget that in a justified world, Iniesta would have picked up a half dozen yellows throughout the tournament for diving, he's done it more than any single player in the tournament, he's been the biggest cheat in the tournament and fairly poor on top, absolutely horrified he managed to get the winner. LIkewise Puyol should have gone for his attempted rugby tackle then kicking out to try and take Robben down, he didn't knock him over but certainly fouled, and certainly slowed him down, he was already on a yellow and could have been yellowed on several other occasions. Busquets dived a bunch, and fouled quite a lot and got away with most of them, Ramos had a surprisingly quiet game in terms of fouls and diving, largely due to the crapness of the dutch on that side.

The ref was horrific, there is no argueing that and when a ref does his job correctly, players play differently, so we have no idea what might have happened or who might have gotten sent off, if the ref did his job. However, to pretend that Spain were innocent is rubbish, there was a handful of really bad tackles, and only one was a straight red. Spain and the dutch both cheated their way to the final, and the whole situation was a disgrace.

The worst thing is the first 4-5 games had truly outstanding refereeing, fair, spot on, let the game flow when he could, reigned in the foulers when they couldn't, they were fantastic, and from midway through the group stage onwards have been terrible.

THe only good thing was the guy pulling out the red instead of the yellow, the shocked faces, the apology and the players and ref laughing about it.
 
I didn't think much of the final, bad refereeing, bad sportsmanship, bad everything really. It highlighted every single bad aspect of the game today. And what made it worse was the biggest cheat in the final scored the winner.

I have to say on a positive note that had Fabregas started the game, we would have actually seen goals in the 90 minutes. He changed every game he was brought on for Spain. He made runs, he didn't stand in midfield and do a hundred 5 yard passes like the rest of them, he moved forwards, he got himself in two good goal scoring positions last night and set up the goal that won the world cup. Spain should have started with him in each and every match.
 
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