World Cup 2010 - GROUP C (England, USA, Algeria, Slovenia) **spoilers**

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It's because we aren't better than the likes of Spain or Brazil. So if we want to progress further than the quarters it would be nice to have worse teams in our path.

I'd take a world cup win where we didn't play Spain or Brazil at all. The teams you played are quickly forgotten over time.
 
The lack of faith a lot of people have in our national side astounds me.

Not having the belief we will win must dent people's world cup experience. We're all sick of the heartache, but at the same time the heartache is what makes the world cup great.
 
The lack of faith a lot of people have in our national side astounds me.

Not having the belief we will win must dent people's world cup experience. We're all sick of the heartache, but at the same time the heartache is what makes the world cup great.

lol, its the people with total belief in England winning who get the biggest dissappointment who then cease to enjoy good football because England are out. They also tend to be completely blinded as to what good football is, England played great, is basically all the blind faith people think.

I enjoy good football, whoever plays it, if England won I'd be happy, and any team can win any competition any time, hugely easier in a knock out competition.

If Spain played England 20 times in a row, the current Spain side would probably win 17 or 18 out of 20. The simple fact is they are better defensively, in midfield and in attack, England have a better left and right back(which is more a commentary on just how bad Ramos is than how good Johnson is) but Spains back 4 plays better together and gets better organised cover from midfield and upfront.

But in a one off game, can England win, sure, in a one off game USA can spank Spain by a couple goals and put in a superb performance....... as proved when they did just that in the confed cup where Spain played a strong team and didn't play badly.

In a knockout anything can happen but realistically, form, quality the massively more likely outcome is England lose a game against anyone half decent.

The hilarious thing I find is why England fans who think every new manager is somehow different when Capello is basically only mirroring exactly what Sven/McClown did, Heskey, Gerrard + Lampard, Calamity in goal, playing the latest in vogue wingers rather than the best and most consistant. England have played the same poor football for a decade now. It would take a miracle to beat Spain, Brazil really aren't as good as they normally are but still couldn't see us beating them.
 
lol, its the people with total belief in England winning who get the biggest dissappointment who then cease to enjoy good football because England are out.

I agree that they do get the biggest disappointment (I'm one of these people). And you're absolutly right, I lose the will to watch the rest of the tournament because why would I want to see France win? Or Spain? Or any other country!

I just think it's the best way to enjoy the World Cup experience. Otherwise surely it is no different to watching the games that are on every year?

(By the way, I don't see either way as right or wrong, just interested to see other people's views)
 
If england cant get pass the groupstage, then england will never win the worldcup.

What? USA = win Algeria = win Slovenia = win. That's what im expecting from England. Anything less then that then its all shamble

Your forgetting USA beat Spain in the confederations cup. The only defeat Spain have had in 40 games. Now surely if they can be the only team to do this (as England couldn't in a friendly) then they will probably beat us. If i remember rightly they didnt pressure them to much, just sat back and countered every time. Now with our wonderful pace at the back i'm sure they won't have a problem than hitting us on the counter.Lets just hope we take our chances and actually finish them off where they can't hit us on the counter attack
 
lol, its the people with total belief in England winning who get the biggest dissappointment who then cease to enjoy good football because England are out. They also tend to be completely blinded as to what good football is, England played great, is basically all the blind faith people think.

I enjoy good football, whoever plays it, if England won I'd be happy, and any team can win any competition any time, hugely easier in a knock out competition.

If Spain played England 20 times in a row, the current Spain side would probably win 17 or 18 out of 20. The simple fact is they are better defensively, in midfield and in attack, England have a better left and right back(which is more a commentary on just how bad Ramos is than how good Johnson is) but Spains back 4 plays better together and gets better organised cover from midfield and upfront.

But in a one off game, can England win, sure, in a one off game USA can spank Spain by a couple goals and put in a superb performance....... as proved when they did just that in the confed cup where Spain played a strong team and didn't play badly.

In a knockout anything can happen but realistically, form, quality the massively more likely outcome is England lose a game against anyone half decent.

The hilarious thing I find is why England fans who think every new manager is somehow different when Capello is basically only mirroring exactly what Sven/McClown did, Heskey, Gerrard + Lampard, Calamity in goal, playing the latest in vogue wingers rather than the best and most consistant. England have played the same poor football for a decade now. It would take a miracle to beat Spain, Brazil really aren't as good as they normally are but still couldn't see us beating them.


Couldn't agree more with you. The number one example of anyone winning any competition is Euro 2004. Greece won this and I can guarentee that about 5% of europe (not includind grecce as they would be supporting their national team) would have predicted they would win, and that would have been people betting on rediclous odds just to see if they could get some money. I mean I have hondurous on in the world cup, 1000/1 has got to be worth a £2 bet :D
 
I'm going into this WC pretty much looking forward to most games equally, strangely I don't feel any extra excitement about England and their games at all. Can't put my finger on why though
 
I'm going into this WC pretty much looking forward to most games equally, strangely I don't feel any extra excitement about England and their games at all. Can't put my finger on why though

It's for the best that way you won't be disappointed when we get sent home packing. :p
 
You dont have to be better than all the other teams to win.

Just look at Greece winning euro 2004, they werent that good, but it was just on the day playing some decent teams they managed to put their head down and win the game with simple football - defending very well and scoring a goal when a chance was available.

Thats all England need to do. They dont need to play magical football like Brazil or Argentina to beat them.
 
I'm going into this WC pretty much looking forward to most games equally, strangely I don't feel any extra excitement about England and their games at all. Can't put my finger on why though

I'm the same, I think because on paper this is the worst england team I have ever seen go to a world cup on current form. My expectations have never been lower, despite not really seeing an outstanding side in the tournie, you can see our back 5 is ripe for a rodgering.

I agree with DM in that capello for all his bullish talk of playing form players is no different to any of the previous managers in ending up going back on that. I think though he has realised we just don't have anyone else of any use.
 
I know what the final is going to be. I can see it now.

England V Spain

It goes to extra time.... 5 minutes to go and England have a corner.

Spain clear the corner and as Rooney runs past Puyol, He says he slept with his wife and and Kai is really his kid.

Rooney looses his temper and headbutts Puyol. Gets sent off and Spain go on to win the final on penalties :p

Am I good, or am I good lol
 
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