World first QD-OLED monitor from Dell and Samsung (34 inch Ultrawide 175hz)

Looks like the DWF Freesync models has issues with AMD graphics cards, be warned

Issues like:

* Monitor works in adaptive sync mode only, so HDR can't be used
* Tone Mapping feature doesn't work
* Games have screen tearing

At least Nvidia Gsync is good for one thing, monitors are validated before going out, doesn't look like AMD tested this one

 
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according to this.... https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidem...3dwf_tonemaping_over_500nits_works_only_with/

not even 500 nits on nVidia, but full 1000 nits on AMD for the AWF ?

Probably another bug I guess. No such issue with tone mapping on LG OLED with Nvidia gpu. And the DW (non F version) doesn't give the option to disable tone mapping, it's just always on and does 1000 nits on Nvidia GPUs. Also, there is a reply to that thread saying 1000 hits works for them on their 3080 https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidem...emaping_over_500nits_works_only_with/izt7lv6/
 
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Been having a chat with some fellow owners who are moaning about hdr 1000's ABL being too much so they use HDR 400.

Is this the case for anyone else? On win 10 I have the sdr-hdr slider set to 90 and have little to no issues. Only beef is when a win notification interrupts full screen mode and then the screen gets washed out.

Why would anyone use HDR outside of a game anyway; it's like "ooh yeah see some of that HDR1000 excel spreadsheeting, so sex baby, 360 no scope pivot tables, ooh yeah!"


The joke here being that the ABL thing you mention doesn't occur while gaming, so anyone who complains about ABL it's because they have HDR1000 enabled while they are sending emails, writing word documents, writing formulas in excel etc and that's pretty stupid
 
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Once again, still looking for a new monitor and... I think it's down to these new QD-OLEDS for me. I was thinking of grabbing something like the Dell U27QE the IPS Black panel monitor, but the price difference between that and this AW34DWF is barely £200 with the discount code. And whilst it won't have full 4K resolution, I can always just grab a HDMI cable and then plug into the LG CX for that when I need it.

Just concerned about the fans on the AW (when you've silenced everything else, even the slightest sound is going to be noticeable).

Are IPS-Black panels out?

I remember reading about these a while ago; the big benefit for them is they have a native 3000:1 contrast ratio in SDR without any local dimming which is far greater than any previous IPS panels and should mean it looks black when other IPS panels look grey - which also means they have the same contrast as any local dimmed VA panels in SDR. IPS black panels in theory should kill off VA panels from the gaming market and relegate it to the cheapest office monitors only
 
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Speaking of burn in, Samsung says 2023 panels have double the burn in resistance compared to 2022 QD-OLED panels

This has been achieved through efficiency gains with the blue light sourc, lower power draw and lower voltages. Brightness is also increased by 30% along with the double burn in resistance. Vincent at HDTV has had hands on with the new panel used in a Samsung TV and he measured 2000nits in a 3% window using 10,000k color temp and 1300nits in 3% windows at standard 6500k color temp

2023 panels also have a new anti reflective coating which appears to be much better. So far the only known monitors to be using the new 2023 panels is Samsung's upcoming 49 inch 240hz QD-OLED monitor
 
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Quick comparison with the 240hz LG woled monitor, watch in HDR if you can

The QD-oled is visibly brighter and has greater color volume and saturation

 
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Doesn't that only happen when it switched between SDR and HDR..? If so that's to be expected

system shouldnt be switching between them though if its a windows pc as HDR isnt dynamic on windows and must be toggled on/off by the user

But I have my own issue with this monitor and will need to do an RMA.

About 50% of the time when I enabled/disable HDR, the screen will go blank - when it does this it looks like the monitor isn't getting a signal however the monitor stays on and never goes into standby and never comes up with the "no signal" message.
When it does this, neither the joystick button nor the power button does anything, its like the monitor has totally frozen up. Only solution I've found is to pull powerfrom the wall for 20 seconds to cycle the capacitors and then the monitor reboots when I plug it in again.

Unfortunately this doesn't only happen with HDR, it also occurs 50% of the time that I try waking the PC from sleep.

I've tried using different DP cables and two HDMI cables, it makes no difference, I've tried disconnecting my second monitor from the GPU, makes no difference, plug alienware into iGPU port, makes no difference.

This issue only started occurring recently after the monitor did it's first panel refresh that happens after 1500 hours of use.

I'm not alone, there is pages of people complaining of the same issue on the Alienware forums
 
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But I have my own issue with this monitor and will need to do an RMA.

About 50% of the time when I enabled/disable HDR, the screen will go blank - when it does this it looks like the monitor isn't getting a signal however the monitor stays on and never goes into standby and never comes up with the "no signal" message.
When it does this, neither the joystick button nor the power button does anything, its like the monitor has totally frozen up. Only solution I've found is to pull powerfrom the wall for 20 seconds to cycle the capacitors and then the monitor reboots when I plug it in again.

Unfortunately this doesn't only happen with HDR, it also occurs 50% of the time that I try waking the PC from sleep.

I've tried using different DP cables and two HDMI cables, it makes no difference, I've tried disconnecting my second monitor from the GPU, makes no difference, plug alienware into iGPU port, makes no difference.

This issue only started occurring recently after the monitor did it's first panel refresh that happens after 1500 hours of use.

I'm not alone, there is pages of people complaining of the same issue on the Alienware forums


Update: dell has accepted RMA, they are sending me a replacement monitor and asked me to send the broken one back to them. This is really good RMA support, I won't have any downtime because they send the new monitor to me first before I've sent the broken one back.

They were pretty good with me, I've already tried a bunch of things myself before contacting them and they didn't ask me to test anything else - I just sent them a video showing how the monitor becomes frozen showing a black screen when I try to enable HDR/SDR or when the PC wakes up from sleep and when it does this the buttons on the monitor become unresponsive and the only way to unfreeze it is to force a reboot by pulling the power cable out
 
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Is that standard Dell policy? I was surprised when they told they would send me a new monitor without me having to send mine back first. It's so refreshing
 


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We have been made aware by a lot of customers having different results and experiences with the Dell Alienware AW3423DW and the AW3423DWF we decided to do a further investigation of multiple issues which have been raised, which include HDR-Tone-Mapping, HDR-Brightness and HDR-clipping.

The latest windows updates, monitor and GPU drivers were installed and both systems have been rebooted in order to make sure that the display properties would be applied.

After Setup of the AW3423DWF on an NVIDIA GPU we could immediately see a strange greyish colour/tone map shift. We also tested this on AMD GPUs and this behaviour was limited only to NVIDIA GPUs. Activating “Console Mode” and set the Source tone mapping to “ON” in the Monitor OSD-Menus removed the washed-out colours. (Figure 2)

Documenting the advanced properties of the Monitor showed already different max. peak brightness values delivered by the EDID. AW3423DW 1000-1060 Nits, AW3423DW 465 Nits. (Figure 1)

Windows HDR Calibration showed different clipping values close to the EDID information. In HDR1000 Mode the AW3423DWF started clipping at 450-460 while the AW3423DW reached a peak of 960-980 In HDR400 the AW3423DWF overshot at 450-510, while the AW3423DW reached a peak of 410-420 Nits. Changing the GPUs use did not much difference except for the overshoot in HDR400 with NVIDIA and the AW3423DWF. (Figure 3, Figure 4, Figure 5)

Brightness measurement with a photometer yielded an average brightness difference of 7,4% in the limited window testing. This was surprising, because after comparing the achieved values. It should be noted that our results are similar to the RTINGS1 measurement, however we did not test the “Real Scene” scenario, due to the lack of a standardized scene for the maximum luminance of the monitor when displaying a bright highlight in an HDR scene. And it should be noted that the “Real Scene” bears a quite large difference with 484 cd/m² (DW) to 345 cd/m² (DWF) or - 28,7%. (Figure 7, Figure 8, Figure 9, Figure 10, Figure 11, 3)

Performance in real gaming scenarios was also tested. Calibration also revealed similar behaviour like in the Windows calibration tool. In Modern Warfare 2 we noticed that in bright HDR areas the difference is noticeable but not always immediately. If visible, details are lost, and the area looks slightly washed out. (Figure 12, Figure 13)

Cyberpunk 2077 was completely overblown in high brightness areas by the AW3423DWF with loss of details and objects covered by overblown areas. These results were seen in HDR100 and HDR400, although the latter not as extensive. Changing the GPU did not have much impact on that effect; however, it changed the tone map slightly.

In summary, there are definitely several issues with the actual state of the AW3423DWF. The source tone map option in the menu of the monitor solves the desktop being washed out issue but limits further options in the menu. The tone mapping issues are most likely limited to NVIDIA GPUs and are not as extensive on AMD GPUs. However, the clipping behaviour seems to be tied to the Monitor and does not change much between NVIDIA or AMD graphics cards nor the choice of HDR Mode. It also should be noted that “HDR-Game” should not be used due to heavy artifacting at high brightness. The Peak brightness of the AW3423DWF is significantly lower than the AW3423DW"
 
My replacement aw3423dw has arrived. I'm lucky enough to live in such a small country that we don't have RMA centres for 95% of imported electronics so almost all RMAs just result in getting a brand new replacement because the device cannot be fixed locally and must be shipped off. That's happened again here and I've received a brand new aw34 that was manufactured just 4 weeks ago

I hope this one doesn't have these black screen issues. If it does I may ask to try the DWF or otherwise it will be a refund.

I don't see how these black screen issues with HDR would be a Windows problem because I've used windows in HDR on a Samsung and LG TV over the last few years and neither of these have had black screen when going into HDR or when alt tabbing from a game
 
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Very reasuring. At least you know for sure you have the latest firmware. I wonder if Dell use their latest calibrators on the non-f now? Will say on the calibration slip - if you happened to keep the old one!!

I haven't taken the new one out of the box yet. I think I have the old ones calibration, I'll compare them tomorrow. I can't test the new monitor right now cause my PC can't boot up as I also rma'd my SSD and still waiting on a new one to be sent to me, however im likely going to just get a refund tomorrow to quickly buy another ssd as Dell only gives me 10 days to test the new monitor and send the old one back
 
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After comparing the Apr2022 and Dec2022 manufactured aw3423dw, only difference in packaging is they now include a micro fibre cloth - the bubble wrap around the screen still leaves marks after all these months they haven't fixed it, they just give you a cloth now and tell you to clean the screen. Calibration report looks pretty similiar. The Dec2022 model is on firmware MOB103
 
I can confirm the new monitor still has the bug where waking the monitor up from standby puts the creator mode color profile into DCI-P3 if Eco mode is on and you have to change it back to SRGB unless you have Eco mode off then it won't revert to DCI-P3 everytime the monitor turns on from standby. So the newest mob103 firmware doesn't fix it.
 
Unfortunately I just found a bright pixel on the new dw. I'm wondering if I should ask for a 3rd replacement or not. It's just a hassle setting up a large screen like this and sending the old one back

The previous aw had a bright pixel as well so I just think it's common with these however on the old one the pixel was off to the side, this new one it's almost dead in the centre of the screen.

So far so good though, it hasn't become frozen yet when going into hdr but time will tell
 
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