worth upgrading from 8800gtx to 260gtx for 1650x1080?

[bfar]

2 years for a 4870 at 1680x1050? You'll be pushing it there, I rekon 1 year at the most.

It might tho.

Things have slowed down a bit. Power hungry titles aren't coming out at the rate they were 3 or 4 years ago. Thats why guys with 2 year old hardware don't see the need to upgrade this year.

Crysis didn't sell well. I suspect heavy duty game engines aren't popular with publishers any more, because they seriously reduce your market. Look at what valve is doing for example - pushing out games that have very reasonable requirements, because they sell.

Average PC users are on laptops these days. They just don't have the power to play games like Crysis. I don't know many people who buy desktops anymore.

 

[Kaiju]

Firstly, the 4870 is an awesome card for the price. I just want to get that out before anyone jumps me.

Ok, so the 4870 is cheaper. Where I live it's now a £0.49 difference (using todays exchange rate) between the lowest available prices. Saving!

As for being that much faster, a few FPS here and there... look, they both win some and lose some. ATi does boast some nifty features in the new GDDR5, has DX10.1 and some efficient AA capabilities, but the GTX260 still holds its own. Some of the latest reviews coming out are actually giving the GTX260 the edge now it's price is matching the 4870. Go figure.

The 4870 is definitely smaller, but the GTX260 isn't so big that it won't fit in most ATX cases. It also uses less watts at idle and has a better cooler for overclocking. If you add the price of an aftermarket cooler, the 4870 is more expensive.

As for the the drivers, it's all about preference; i've had both ATi and nV cards and never had problems with either, except for ATi's CCC, but that was fixed with Tray Tools. Sure ATi update monthly, but it's a question of what they update, not when.

Image quality is also up for debate and i'm still not convinced of ATi's dominance here. Even if image quality is better with the red team, it's still a case of by how much and it's not much.

In surmise, both cards are great. I don't see why people are frontin' TBH. Sure nV capitalised on the market price with very little competition, but so would any one of you if you were the CEO.

The GTX260 simply is a great card and a lot of people are still jumping the bandwagon because they bought a 4850/4870 (with good reason) and can't see past justifying there own purchase now the GTX260 is priced more accordingly.

To the OP, get the GTX280 or wait for the 4870X2. Both will bump up your current AA/AF levels and give you better minimum/avg framerates over your 8800GTX.

 

[TheRealDeal]

It might tho.

Things have slowed down a bit. Power hungry titles aren't coming out at the rate they were 3 or 4 years ago. Thats why guys with 2 year old hardware don't see the need to upgrade this year.

Crysis didn't sell well. I suspect heavy duty game engines aren't poular with publishers any more, because they seriously reduce your market. Look at what valve is doing for example - pushing out games that have very reasonable requirements, because they sell.

Average PC users are on laptops these days. They just don't have the power to play games like Crysis. I don't know many people who buy desktops anymore.

Tbh game play is where the money is at. You just have to look at how well the wii has sold to see that. I like visuals but not at the expense of gameplay. Give me call of duty 4 multiplayer or probably even single player with good frames over crysis visuals anyday. Lets just hope crysis warhead can do both as it could be one hell of a game

 

[ten80p]

crysis is the best looking game out todate. yes current generation hardware struggles on it at max settings but thats why you dont run it at max to make it playable you scale your settings to medium or less.

im not a games programmer so i cant decompile the game code and assess its efficiency to say if its a badly coded game or not. and i seriously doubt you have that kind of knowledge to make that statement.

Didn't someone from Crytek themselves effectively say recently that the games engine was poor, and backed it up by saying they were re-working the engine for Warhead and in turn may see the re-workings applied to Crysis ?

Link
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17888071&highlight=crysis

 

[Shocky-FM]

i understand loyalty to your local pub or businesses where you personally know some people or are friendly with them.

but why would anyone be loyal to ATI/NVIDIA/AMD/INTEL they are all huge companies and at the end of the day, if 1 card is better than another for the same price you buy the better one > .

You never read much beyond that post did you, brand loyal is something i'm not, I'm just pro good hardware and GTX260 and HD4780 are both great cards, I got called a ATI fanboy when I owned R9700/9800Pro and X1900XTX too. It's a never ending cycle.

 

[Shocky-FM]

Thats nonsense

Your sounding like a noob

Easyrider

Your clearly the noob here buddy, because I do this quite allot and it works every time, theres really nothing e-tailers can do about it. Even done it with OCUK in the past, they processed my full refund very promptly indeed, there like rentals. But seriously when you order stuff online you get cooling off period, usually one week although I usually request it within three days, they really can't refuse requests for refunds in writing withing that period.

Some stores might try and flog you off if you've opened and used the item but at the end of the day you have the right to inspect the item and theres bugger all they can do about it.

Aye I think you need to do something because if review sites can pull off better scores than you can, then you know something is really wrong lol .

Crysis won't get any better I feel though as the GTX 280 is king in that game.

Like I said, havent had much time to test them yet.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

The GTX260 simply is a great card and a lot of people are still jumping the bandwagon because they bought a 4850/4870 (with good reason) and can't see past justifying there own purchase now the GTX260 is priced more accordingly.

true. now that the 260 has come down in price those that bought the 4870 may be having second thoughts now and are just spouting up posts to defend thier purchase.

the gtx260 was never a poor card, it was just poorly priced. it will be interesting to see what happens when the gtx260 hits the exact same price as the 4870. wonder which direction this forum will take then

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Didn't someone from Crytek themselves effectively say recently that the games engine was poor, and backed it up by saying they were re-working the engine for Warhead and in turn may see the re-workings applied to Crysis ?

Link
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17888071&highlight=crysis

i wont be surprised if these so called optimisations are just config file mods that the crymod community have already made which make the game look better and perform better too. will have to see what crytek deliver on this front.

 

[thegoonden]

Your clearly the noob here buddy, because I do this quite allot and it works every time, theres really nothing e-tailers can do about it. Even done it with OCUK in the past, they processed my full refund very promptly indeed, there like rentals. But seriously when you order stuff online you get cooling off period, usually one week although I usually request it within three days, they really can't refuse requests for refunds in writing withing that period.

Some stores might try and flog you off if you've opened and used the item but at the end of the day you have the right to inspect the item and theres bugger all they can do about it.




Like I said, havent had much time to test them yet.

Thanks ever so much for abusing the system, costing the rest of us money. You wipe hundreds off the value of videocards.....then WE pay that back to the e-tailers.

 

[Shocky-FM]

Thanks ever so much for abusing the system, costing the rest of us money. You wipe hundreds off the value of videocards.....then WE pay that back to the e-tailers.

No problem, but I'd hardly call it abuse nor do I understand how you or others are paying for it. The cooling off period is there for a reason, it's for you to inspect the item and deside if' your happy with it or not.

Once you started the RMA process you can change your mind within that week and keep the card if your happy with it, the problem with the GTX280 was the price drop, it would be pretty stupid to hold into it after 4800 series was launched when you have the option to return it for full refund and perhaps buy it afterwards for almost half the price.

 

[Shocky-FM]

dp delete.

 

[thegoonden]

No problem, but I'd hardly call it abuse nor do I understand how you or others are paying for it. The cooling off period is there for a reason, it's for you to inspect the item and deside if' your happy with it or not.

Once you started the RMA process you can change your mind within that week and keep the card if your happy with it, the problem with the GTX280 was the price drop, it would be pretty stupid to hold into it after 4800 series was launched when you have the option to return it for full refund and perhaps buy it afterwards for almost half the price.

It's just the idea of using it as a rental, trying and returning loads of different hardware. Obviously the card you return is sold on as grade b or whatever, at a reduced price, so the etailer will need to charge more for other things to protect their bottom line (or just their bottom ).


Once in a while is fine, and indeed if I could be *rs*d with it, it'd be a great way to decide on a new videocard. I just get the impression that you do it, ALL the time with nearly anything......which I think is a tad naughty.

It's OK though, doesn't make me think yer a bad person

 

[LoadsaMoney]

it will be interesting to see what happens when the gtx260 hits the exact same price as the 4870. wonder which direction this forum will take then

2x cards the exact same price, you'll take the faster one everytime won't you, so you would take the 4870.

 

[willhub]

The benchmarks I have seen show the 4870 to be faster than the GTX260 so I dont see how the GTX260 holds its own

2x cards the exact same price, you'll take the faster one everytime won't you, so you would take the 4870.

Mav wont buy ATi cards now, as the ATi's dont do 24x "true AA", he wants nothing less than 16xQ and he wont use ATi since they dont do profiles, his fav colour is proberbly green too so ATi is a big no no for him! Funny he loves playing crysis and wont get a card just coz it wont do as much AA or something, I bet he loved playing crysis with 16xAA!

 

[Hamoodii]

The benchmarks I have seen show the 4870 to be faster than the GTX260 so I dont see how the GTX260 holds its own

Exactly right, why would you get a 260 over a 4870 if its the same price?

 

[Shocky-FM]

It's just the idea of using it as a rental, trying and returning loads of different hardware. Obviously the card you return is sold on as grade b or whatever, at a reduced price, so the etailer will need to charge more for other things to protect their bottom line (or just their bottom ).


Once in a while is fine, and indeed if I could be *rs*d with it, it'd be a great way to decide on a new videocard. I just get the impression that you do it, ALL the time with nearly anything......which I think is a tad naughty.

It's OK though, doesn't make me think yer a bad person

Oh i'm pretty sure sites like OCUK earn more then enough to cover it, i'm not going to lose any sleep thinking about the cost to them or other customers, thats for sure.

I don't do it all the time, but I oftern will request the RMA within a week just to give myself the option to send it back if theres something i'm I might be concerned about as it bascially give you another week. It's also great for testing stuff like monitors, when I first moved over to LCD displays I went through six different monitors before deciding which I prefered and the displays most users recommended at the time I thought were utter crap after trying them.

 

[queamin]

The GTX260 simply is a great card and a lot of people are still jumping the bandwagon because they bought a 4850/4870 (with good reason) and can't see past justifying there own purchase now the GTX260 is priced more accordingly.

Maybe it is because the 4870 is faster in most games,why should they worry and justify their purchase even if gtx260 has come down in price.

 

[willhub]

Even if the GTX260 was 10-20 quid cheaper the 4870 would still be worth it.

 

[easyrider]

Your clearly the noob here buddy, because I do this quite allot and it works every time, theres really nothing e-tailers can do about it. Even done it with OCUK in the past, they processed my full refund very promptly indeed, there like rentals. But seriously when you order stuff online you get cooling off period, usually one week although I usually request it within three days, they really can't refuse requests for refunds in writing withing that period.

Some stores might try and flog you off if you've opened and used the item but at the end of the day you have the right to inspect the item and theres bugger all they can do about it.




Like I said, havent had much time to test them yet.

I'm not your buddy,

And the reason is its not a week ,once a RMA request is made within 7 days of reciept you have 28 days in which to return the goods for a refund.


This is why you are talking rubbish.

 

[queamin]

On about how long the 4870 will last i think it depends on what new game engines comes out and if there will be any new ones before dx11.