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worth upgrading from 8800gtx to 260gtx for 1650x1080?

willhub said:
Ok, so its cheaper in some other countrys, I'll go book my plain ticket now and some accommodation whilst I'm there, great! I'll have got a GTX260 cheap, but it will end up miles higher might aswell have got a couple of GTX280's the money I'd pay for flights and accommodation and food etc..

If the GTX260 held its own, it would be faster than the 4870, th 4870 held its own really with its AA performance and the fact it is cheaper than a GTX260. The cheapest GTX260 is almost 20 quid more on clockers and the fact the 4870 is faster accross the board would mean it would be worth paying 20 quid over the GTX260 for it.
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The narrow-minded sarcasm it appreciated, but do you always act like such a pr*** when it all boils down to the crunch? :D

Look, the GTX260 holds it own, stop looking for something to argue about. Why are so many reviews stating the GTX260 in the same category as the 4870? It's not that difficult to understand the statement. If something "holds its own," it means it is able to compete. The statement doesn't imply it is better or worse.

Now will someone hijack this thread, i'm done.
 
Kaiju said:
For UK consumers, of course. I thought this site had it's fair share of international buyers though? Is OCUK not globally reknowned? :D

It offers more speed, but how much more? Not much at all if it trades blows in a few titles. Who's to say the GTX won't take the next level of games?

To be honest I don't feel sorry people have a sour taste in their mouths with nV's pricing strategy. You are the consumer, you ultimately decide what you buy. Don't like the price, don't buy it. If you do, deal with consequences.

If you aren't happy, don't buy it. No need to get personal. If you were the CEO of nV company, wouldn't you capitalise on the market? Like **** you wouldn't!

Again, it's not just a question of faster or slower. Look at my aforemtioned post. There are so many variables that come into play now. The GTX260 uses less power at idle, there are less issues with drivers (search the web, ATi is having a mare with AA/Vsync, etc), it has more headroom in general for overclocking. I mean seriously, the GTX260 is a good card.

As to why people want nV to shove it is understandable, but ATi dropped a peach and nV had to reshuffle. That's how it works, that is how it has always worked.
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I'm not saying the 260 is a bad card far from it.

What I am saying is its overpriced for what it is.

The 280 is overpriced for what it is.

With the majority of PC enthusiast's running intel chipsets that support Xfire there really is no need to waste money on a 260 at this time.

I love NV cards but this time they offer me ( an enthusiast) very little.And thats why:

a: I never bought one
b: I would'nt recommend buying one

Nothing agaist NV really but I'm not prepared to be taken for a ride when there are better products for less.

At the end of the day I couldn't care who makes what.I use and abuse hardware and will jump camp if it see's me more speed.

Currently I can get a faster PC with ATI cards running in my Rig. Just like I can have a faster PC running C2D processors.

If AMD realease a new chip that destroys nehelem then I'll leave intel in a instant.

Its all about making the right choices.

Buying a NV card now (unless they change the pricing) is the wrong road to take on so many levels.
 
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Kaiju said:
The narrow-minded sarcasm it appreciated, but do you always act like such a pr*** when it all boils down to the crunch? :D

Look, the GTX260 holds it own, stop looking for something to argue about. Why are so many reviews stating the GTX260 in the same category as the 4870? It's not that difficult to understand the statement. If something "holds its own," it means it is able to compete. The statement doesn't imply it is better or worse.

Now will someone hijack this thread, i'm done.
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I'm sorry but you been the pr*** here not be so if you are going to keep saying stuff like that go **** o** :)

And on topic, I've looked at reviews and I cant see where the GTX260 holds its own, even if it is the same price but its slower how does it hold its own, something that even performance on par does not hold its own..

The 8800GTX was a card that held its own for nearly 2 years.
 
easyrider said:
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Never said you did say the 260 was a bad card. :D

Again... the GTX260 maybe overpriced in the UK, but it isn't globally. Perhaps UK pricing is next to follow.

Your reasoning is spot on and I agree wholeheartedly. In your case the 4870 is the right way to go.

Not once have I said the 4870 is a bad choice either, on the contrary, it is an amazing card for the price.

All I really am trying to do is make it a level playing field for buyers and balance a few unknowns in the field.
 
willhub said:
I'm sorry but you been the pr*** here not be so if you are going to keep saying stuff like that go **** o** :)
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No sense of humour huh? >:D<

Ugh...

Kaiju said:
Answer this, how noticeable is a 5% gain in avg/max frames with some games to the naked eye? It’s not.

What’s more important isn’t the few FPS’s more you get with max/avg frames, but the minimum frames you get. It’s all very well running 80FPS compared to 75FPS, but when it crawls at shader intensive areas then it’s a testament to the real power of the card.
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Relative to that, the 4870 is clearly not faster given the real time benefits.

"At mid range resolutions the HD 4870 continues to impress, and at 1680x1050 it performs very closely to the GTX 260. However, the minimum frame rates are always higher on the GTX cards, offering a smoother gameplay experience." [H]ardOCP

Look, both cards will give the same performance. I bet most people would be hard pressed to tell the difference between either card.

The price point in most cases is out the window, so all that leaves is all the other factors and for me the GTX260 edges it.

For you and many others it will be a different case.
 
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Kaiju said:
All I really am trying to do is make it a level playing field for buyers and balance a few unknowns in the field.
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There are plenty of reviews about on both cards.

Your post's don't change anything.

The majority of reviews lean towards the 4870 as its the better card at a better price point.
 
easyrider said:
There are plenty of reviews about on both cards.

Your post's don't change anything.

The majority of reviews lean towards the 4870 as its the better card at a better price point.
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The majority of reviews lean towards the 4870 due to the pricepoint. True. However, the pricepoint isn't a factor anymore, effectively taking away the reason why the 4870 is considered better.

Stop referring to the pricepoint... they are the same price globally. The UK is just lagging behind. :p
 
Kaiju said:
Stop referring to the pricepoint... they are the same price globally. The UK is just lagging behind. :p
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UK pricing matters to me and millions of others.

So stop clutching at straws.;)

Why on earth would I waste 195 on the cheapest 260 when I am running a P45 chipset and I can destroy a 280 running 2 x 111 quid 4850's?


BTW I know the answer its a rhetorical question.:D
 
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easyrider said:
UK pricing matters to me and millions of others.

So stop clutching at straws.;)
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I never said UK pricing doesn't matter.

A question for you easy, do you know how the economy works? The global economy (macro) affects the local economy (micro) right, not the other way around.

Pretty soon UK prices will follow, that's all im insinuating.

easyrider said:
Why on earth would I waste 195 on the cheapest 260 when I am running a P45 chipset and I can destroy a 280 running 2 x 111 quid 4850's?

BTW I know the answer its a rhetorical question.:D
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Did you forget I said, "Your reasoning is spot on and I agree wholeheartedly. In your case the 4870 is the right way to go."

Really, easy. :D
 
In the review I did for OC3D I pitched an overclocked XFX GTX260 XXX (factory overclocked) vs stock ATI 4870 in both single and dual (SLI vs Xfire) card setups and found that the performance difference between the two was hardly anything. It was a see-saw effect thoughout the benchmarks. At OC3D we also do a price-per-fps comparison and this is where the 4870 wins out.

The 260GTX is a hell of a lot better looking and a lot quieter though imo - if you care about such things.
 
easyrider said:
I'm not your buddy,

And the reason is its not a week ,once a RMA request is made within 7 days of reciept you have 28 days in which to return the goods for a refund.


This is why you are talking rubbish.
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Not always, in fact with many the RMA is valid for 14 days, but if it's 28 days then thats great, even more time to play with the card, thats good, athough that would be pushing it. :D
 
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in response to OP, I had same question and after doing my research I can safely say the answer to your question (esp for the res u stated) is a big fat NO

only viable upgrade will be the 4870x2 coming out soon imo - anything else will be minimal if that (excluding the 280GTX but that is expensive and blown away by the upcoming ATI card)
 
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PhoenixUK said:
Why spare all the money on something you not going to need or use for few months?

My point is, you can buy your freshly released GTX280 for 500quid to game at 1024x768 and keep it for 2yrs because after 1yr from buying u will swap to 1680x1050. But also, you can buy 4850 for 140, play just as good with it for 1yr and then buy the GTX for 200 or something a lot better and newer for similar price.


500pounds vs 250 with no difference in gameplay at all, and you can spend the cash you saved to upgrade other bits.

Personally unless I have 24"+ monitor and i'm max detail freak I would buy a mid priced older components that will let me play everything on max for lets say 6months, sell the whole stuff and buy new stuff again. 3 600pound upgrades in 2yrs will do better for you than buying 1 pc for 2500 and keeping it for 2yrs.
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And @ OP,
not worth it imo, I would wait for the faster versions of 4870 (x2 , super rv770, or the 4850x2) and then upgrade.
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While it's clearly a matter of personal opinion, I completely disagree :) To say that there are diminishing returns with the fastest cards at low resolutions is a bit of a myth. Saying there is no difference between a gtx280 and a hd4850at lower resolutions isn't strictly true. There will be considereable differences in various circumstances.

We generally see cards benchmarked at avg framerates, but that never really tells the whole story. You need to know how those odd dips and dives in framerates affect the overall experiance. With that in mind, the faster cards generally give the slickest smoothest experience over lesser cards, even at 'low' resolutions.

Furthermore, I wouldn't consider 1680x1050 a low resolution by any standard!

And besides, 2 yrs for £500 (we're talking more like £370 anyway) is good bang for buck imo. Along with the option to throw bags of AA in for the best image quality available, I stand by my point :)
 
w3bbo said:
In the review I did for OC3D I pitched an overclocked XFX GTX260 XXX (factory overclocked) vs stock ATI 4870 in both single and dual (SLI vs Xfire) card setups and found that the performance difference between the two was hardly anything. It was a see-saw effect thoughout the benchmarks. At OC3D we also do a price-per-fps comparison and this is where the 4870 wins out.

The 260GTX is a hell of a lot better looking and a lot quieter though imo - if you care about such things.
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lol i was reading that review the other day

pretty good didnt know you did it :D
 
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