It should last through DX11 tbh aswell, allthough it proberbly wont be fast by then games will be too demanding. At least we can play DX11 games in DX11 on our DX10.1 cards.
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worth upgrading from 8800gtx to 260gtx for 1650x1080?
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It should last through DX11 tbh aswell, allthough it proberbly wont be fast by then games will be too demanding. At least we can play DX11 games in DX11 on our DX10.1 cards.
As a lot of games are on consoles as well so the 4870 should see you until second gen dx11 games are out,unless it is a big jump from dx10.1 to dx11
2x cards the exact same price, you'll take the faster one everytime won't you, so you would take the 4870.
This.
The benchmarks I have seen show the 4870 to be faster than the GTX260 so I dont see how the GTX260 holds its own
Mav wont buy ATi cards now, as the ATi's dont do 24x "true AA", he wants nothing less than 16xQ and he wont use ATi since they dont do profiles, his fav colour is proberbly green too so ATi is a big no no for him! Funny he loves playing crysis and wont get a card just coz it wont do as much AA or something, I bet he loved playing crysis with 16xAA!
different people have different reasons for thier purchases. some go for all out speed, which the 4870 would take, and then some would go for the functionality which the gx260 has, such as working game specific profiles, tue 16xAA which can be used in older games and proper cuda support.
even you will should know since you have posted in another thread about your ati bsods your getting. iv had my fair share of them and im certainly not going for another ati card after seeing how well the 8800gt has treated me.
to each his own id say.
for me the choice lies between the 4850 and the 9800gtx+, im so far siding with the 9800gtx+.
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but I think it's worth pointing out that a gtx280 or 4870x2 would allow for an easy monitor upgrade down the road, and also offer a slightly extended life when more demanding games eventually arrive.
I got my 8800gtx at launch, even tho I only gamed at 1280. I was flamed and told it was overkill, but that simply wasn't true in my experience. Later on I did upgrade to a 1650 display, and the card is still doing well for me almost 2 years since
If you can afford it, and you plan on more upgrades, a faster card might be well worth a look.
Why spare all the money on something you not going to need or use for few months?
My point is, you can buy your freshly released GTX280 for 500quid to game at 1024x768 and keep it for 2yrs because after 1yr from buying u will swap to 1680x1050. But also, you can buy 4850 for 140, play just as good with it for 1yr and then buy the GTX for 200 or something a lot better and newer for similar price.
500pounds vs 250 with no difference in gameplay at all, and you can spend the cash you saved to upgrade other bits.
Personally unless I have 24"+ monitor and i'm max detail freak I would buy a mid priced older components that will let me play everything on max for lets say 6months, sell the whole stuff and buy new stuff again. 3 600pound upgrades in 2yrs will do better for you than buying 1 pc for 2500 and keeping it for 2yrs.
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And @ OP,
not worth it imo, I would wait for the faster versions of 4870 (x2 , super rv770, or the 4850x2) and then upgrade.
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The GTX260 is competitive against the 4870, that’s how it holds its own.The benchmarks I have seen show the 4870 to be faster than the GTX260 so I dont see how the GTX260 holds its own
Answer this, how noticeable is a 5% gain in avg/max frames with some games to the naked eye?
It’s not.
What’s more important isn’t the few FPS’s more you get with max/avg frames, but the minimum frames you get. It’s all very well running 80FPS compared to 75FPS, but when it crawls at shader intensive areas then it’s a testament to the real power of the card.
"At mid range resolutions the HD 4870 continues to impress, and at 1680x1050 it performs very closely to the GTX 260. However, the minimum frame rates are always higher on the GTX cards, offering a smoother gameplay experience." [H]ardOCP
Again, the 4870 is a lovely card. I’m not saying it isn’t.
Furthermore, the GTX260 is also shown in many benches to be able to overclock near to the GTX280 when the core reaches above 670. It’s obvious the GTX260 has more headroom due to the extra VRAM and SP’s.
In that regard, the GTX260 simply holds its own against the 4870 and that’s a fact.
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So true. Not many pc exclusives these days. I dont expect a wave of dx11 games until the next gen of consoles.
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I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but I think it's worth pointing out that a gtx280 or 4870x2 would allow for an easy monitor upgrade down the road, and also offer a slightly extended life when more demanding games eventually arrive.
I got my 8800gtx at launch, even tho I only gamed at 1280. I was flamed and told it was overkill, but that simply wasn't true in my experience. Later on I did upgrade to a 1650 display, and the card is still doing well for me almost 2 years since
If you can afford it, and you plan on more upgrades, a faster card might be well worth a look.
agree completely
its not really overkill as you still get more fps with a faster card.
to say a gtx 260/280 or even a 4870 isnt needed for 1680 x 1050 res is just not right.
Based on one sites review. Pfft.
Based on one sites review. Pfft.
Hahahaha yeah the others do show them as neck and neck
.I'd still want the 4870 though but that is my opinion. The fact remains that 2x 4850s in Crossfire is better than the GTX 260/280 and a single 4870 and for not much more outlay Pffft
.Mav, I dont know what to say but...
, the functionality side is a load of BS you keep banging about on here and MSN. Ok then, even though the GTX260 overclocks to near the GTX280 and is slower than a 4870 it still holds its own eh?
Also my HD4870 is clocked higher than a GTX280
, does that make any difference? No clocks aint everything. The GTX260 has less SP's than a GTX280 so no point even relating a GTX280 to it. Some people who have the GTX260 like to argue its better than the 4870 I guess, proberbly find most of that on youtube, now I'm not trying to be a fanboy, its a fact, then 4870 is cheaper and faster, the GTX280 is faster than the 4870 and is almost getting to a really nice price.
Based on one sites review. Pfft.
Yeh but come on, you quoted [H]. What's next, Fud or Inq?
Eliteb**** have just put up a review comparing the 4870 to the 260 and i quote...
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=593&Itemid=27
While these two boards have traded blows throughout our testing so far, 8x anti-aliasing changes everything - Quite simply, Sapphire's Radeon HD 4870 wipes the floor
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=593&Itemid=27
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In closing then, whether you choose either AMD or NVIDIA as your allegiance at this near-£200 price point for this generation, you're guaranteed an excellent gaming experience at 1920x1200 with 4x anti-aliasing more or less regardless of the game in question when it comes to current titles, so to that degree there's no such thing as a bad choice. However, if you're looking to push the boat out with regard to image quality, then the Radeon HD 4870's 8x multi-sampling performance is the stuff of dreams, and coupled with the rest of its feature set and the low price point of Sapphire's offering, it would be very hard for me to do anything but recommend it as the graphics board of choice for anyone looking for a new graphics board with this kind of budget in mind.
That passage above also comes from the conclusion in elites review. 4870 just seems the better of the 2 cards to me.
That passage above also comes from the conclusion in elites review. 4870 just seems the better of the 2 cards to me.
Nope, Eliteb******* is next.Yeh but come on, you quoted [H]. What's next, Fud or Inq?
Can you tell me who is arguing the GTX260 is better exactly?
To clarify my corner, I never said the GTX260 was better. I said it can hold it's own.
I'm stating facts about the GTX260 and you are assuming the rest. It seems to me a lot of people are overlooking the GTX260 due to the influx of 4850/4870 buyers who still wish to redeem every bit of glory having did the right thing when the GTX260 was overpriced.
So have a clap, scratch that, have a huge round of applause for doing the right thing. I would have done the very same thing.
Unfortunately for your power trip, things have changed. The GTX260 isn't more expensive (in many countries they are priced the same) and it's not that much faster, if at all in games. It's a level playing field now and the denial some people are facing is proving cumbersome to say the least.
Just because your card isn't standing so pretty with the price gap effectively gone, doesn't mean you are any less clever for purchasing it.
So stop clinging to the one review which reads "4870 wipes the floor with the GTX260" and look at the broad picture. Open your eyes, there is a head to every tail and in this case the GTX260 is simply just as good as the 4870. Not better, it's just as good.
Performance, drivers, image quality, power consumption, heat, cooling, price, value; these are all factors which play a part. To simply say the GTX260 is a worse card without rationalising every factor just strikes me as plain ignorance.
Look, if you don't agree with me, do some more research already. It's right there for you to see.
Finally Mr.Hub, I think you'll find the only one actually arguing which card is better here is you.
To be honest the 4870 is the better card as its cheaper for UK consumers and offers more speed ( or in a few title trades blows)
NV fluffed it and they know it.
The GTX 260 and 280 cards are priced wrong and offer lttle gains over much cheaper cards.
My last ATI card was a 9800 pro, all the other cards have been NV based cards,
This time though NV can shove it.
I don't want to spend more money on a slower card.
Or 100 more on the fastest card.
why would I?
I can wipe the floor with a 280 spending just over 200 on 2 x 4850's
Ok, so its cheaper in some other countrys, I'll go book my plain ticket now and some accommodation whilst I'm there, great! I'll have got a GTX260 cheap, but it will end up miles higher might aswell have got a couple of GTX280's the money I'd pay for flights and accommodation and food etc..
If the GTX260 held its own, it would be faster than the 4870, th 4870 held its own really with its AA performance and the fact it is cheaper than a GTX260. The cheapest GTX260 is almost 20 quid more on clockers and the fact the 4870 is faster accross the board would mean it would be worth paying 20 quid over the GTX260 for it.
For UK consumers, of course. I thought this site had it's fair share of international buyers though? Is OCUK not globally reknowned?
It offers more speed, but how much more? Not much at all if it trades blows in a few titles. Who's to say the GTX won't take the next level of games?
To be honest I don't feel sorry people have a sour taste in their mouths with nV's pricing strategy. You are the consumer, you ultimately decide what you buy. Don't like the price, don't buy it. If you do, deal with consequences.
If you aren't happy, don't buy it. No need to get personal. If you were the CEO of nV company, wouldn't you capitalise on the market? Like **** you wouldn't!
Again, it's not just a question of faster or slower. Look at my aforemtioned post. There are so many variables that come into play now. The GTX260 uses less power at idle, there are less issues with drivers (search the web, ATi is having a mare with AA/Vsync, etc), it has more headroom in general for overclocking. I mean seriously, the GTX260 is a good card.
As to why people want nV to shove it is understandable, but ATi dropped a peach and nV had to reshuffle. That's how it works, that is how it has always worked.