Would you push the button knowing the consequences?
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Just supposing the USA goes to war with China/Russia.. Who, like in the previous wars of the 20th/21st century have been there to remove all the dead soldiers?
Obviously not the politicians.
If it was up to me I'd make ALL the politicians of the countries involved go to a battle field and show them the mess they've made and make them clean the mess up THEMSELVES.
To qoute a British General of the 1st world war 'Did we really send men to fight in all this?'.
So Putin, Johnson, Jinping, Biden. Are YOU prepared to visit a and clean the mess up and remove all the dead seeing as you won't do any of the fighting then go to the grieving families and tell them it was all worth the cost or give them the death notices yourselves without your bodyguards or any police protection?
Obviously not the politicians.
If it was up to me I'd make ALL the politicians of the countries involved go to a battle field and show them the mess they've made and make them clean the mess up THEMSELVES.
To qoute a British General of the 1st world war 'Did we really send men to fight in all this?'.
So Putin, Johnson, Jinping, Biden. Are YOU prepared to visit a and clean the mess up and remove all the dead seeing as you won't do any of the fighting then go to the grieving families and tell them it was all worth the cost or give them the death notices yourselves without your bodyguards or any police protection?
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here's another one
Xi on brink? Chinese leader vulnerable to coup amid 'floundering' CCP regime (msn.com)
Sounds like these threats're just a means of diverting attention.
Bill Clinton tried the same tactic.
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Becuase it's a situation that all three of them're equally to blame for.
The US alone against an alliance of China and Russia stands no chance. Actually, it doesn't against Russia on its own, too.
But in case of full scale nuclear operations, there won't be any soldiers involved - you'll be looking at whole countries removed from the face of the Planet.
The only real world terrorism is USA & CIA, you want to stop read all the media propaganda from Msn & CNN etc: As they are funded by the US government. if you nuke the planet nothing will survive or contain any life up 2,000 years.
That's an...interesting...interpretation. The CIA would have to be far larger and far more powerful than...well, anything else. As well as having an amazing ability to hide that absolute rule over everyone everywhere.
If nothing survived, it would almost certainly be a lot more than 2000 years before there was life again. We don't know how abiogenesis happened, but we're pretty sure it took a damn sight longer than 2000 years. Closer to 2 billion years. Also, a level of nuking that would kill all life would leave the planet sterile for a lot longer than 2000 years even if abiogenesis happened again.
But we're talking about nuclear war, not "nuke the planet". "nuke the planet" would be a deliberate (and externally imposed) total destruction. Spaceships dropping millions of nukes on Earth. Why would anyone bother? And it's not what we're talking about anyway.
Even all out nuclear war with the current arsenals probably wouldn't result in that.
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Surprising amount of life without mutations near Chernobyl but to answer OP,
NO I would not.. with a MAYBE if my country had just been nuked
While Chernobyl was properly burning the radiation fallout was equivalent to around 200 mid-size kiloton nuclear bombs every hour in terms of the global impact.
The planet killing nuclear war scenarios are as much or more so about the consequences of the big old bombs causing massive burn off capable of significant stratospheric injection of ash and other materials and assume all those bombs are used against densely built up areas.
Would I? No. Will anyone? Probably not.
I personally don't believe Putin is particularly interest in land grabbing. He does some sabre rattling now and again to show a bit of flex. He doesn't really need to go any further into Ukraine. Just occupying a small part of the north east is enough to thwart any chance of Ukraine joining the EU. Got to feel sorry for Ukraine in a way. Always treated poorly by both sides. I'm flying there Friday and it's one of my favourite countries to visit.
Putin has it pretty sweet. Why risk destroying everything? What comes after Putin should be of far more concern.
China and Taiwan, IMO, is the greatest threat to global stability right now. China it seems does have an agenda to expand and not just into areas where it feels it had a right too.
My limited understanding, Chernobyl wasn't quite a nuclear bomb going off. The steam expansion blew off the top.
A nuclear bomb is going to explode either just before it hits the ground or when it hits. It's all the dust etc flying into the air and causing a nuclear winter that kills off life - other than the radiation/blast etc.
I personally don't believe Putin is particularly interest in land grabbing. He does some sabre rattling now and again to show a bit of flex. He doesn't really need to go any further into Ukraine. Just occupying a small part of the north east is enough to thwart any chance of Ukraine joining the EU. Got to feel sorry for Ukraine in a way. Always treated poorly by both sides. I'm flying there Friday and it's one of my favourite countries to visit.
Putin has it pretty sweet. Why risk destroying everything? What comes after Putin should be of far more concern.
China and Taiwan, IMO, is the greatest threat to global stability right now. China it seems does have an agenda to expand and not just into areas where it feels it had a right too.
My limited understanding, Chernobyl wasn't quite a nuclear bomb going off. The steam expansion blew off the top.
A nuclear bomb is going to explode either just before it hits the ground or when it hits. It's all the dust etc flying into the air and causing a nuclear winter that kills off life - other than the radiation/blast etc.
My point just being Biden literally just got in the job, you seem to be attributing the current global tensions directly to him? Seems a bit harsh, he seems to be trying to de-escalate tensions where as the other two 'leaders' you mentioned are doing anything but.
While true I hope the notion of a nuclear war is never seen as anything less than world ending!
I believe crews are routinely put through firing drills where they are not (in theory) aware whether or not it is a training exercise.
Aside from that, I don't believe there is a critical mass of tolerance for fighting wars anymore, not in the first world at least. I certainly wouldn't fight....absolutely no need for it any more, I'd happily just bugger off somewhere quiet and tell the draft to do one.
Russia thought that once, the guy didn't launch
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Oh for god sake, can’t you comprehend a sentence, I said if it was, not if I thought it was.
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Well said
the evidence suggested it was a real strike that was actually happening.
A computer detects 5 missile launches and declares strike imminent.
your not supposed to rely on seeing it outside with your own eyes before you say it's real.
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Well then I guess no I wouldn’t as I’d want visual confirmation first.