Would you SLAP your child..?

[Chimerical]

Yeah. I have an example where the head teacher of our local high school pulled a kid into his office for some horrific piece of behaviour and the kid turned to the headmaster and said "**** off, you cant touch me. Go on, what can you do?" and went right up into his face. There is no doubt that behaviour didnt really go on so much when there actually was the threat of the cane/belt.

Again, nonsense. That's just fear in that case.

Also, in general I can't really believe so many people are pro-physical punishment of children in general. Its staggering to be honest and backwards.

Plus, we can never, ever bring back corporal punishment in today's society (thank god) so I don't know why so many people are arguing for it. Stop illogically fantasising about a past which was probably much worse than anyone on here cares to "remember".

 

[Chimerical]

Because they are children - they aren't adults in a professional working environment.

Most children don't care less, but some kids have it in their head that every single little thing a teacher does which isn't "teaching" is trying to take them back to their lair or something.

They should be treated as adults with proper respect.

And its ironic how you say they're children yet you're okay with hitting them.

 

[RoachycaL]

Again, nonsense. That's just fear in that case.

Also, in general I can't really believe so many people are pro-physical punishment of children in general. Its staggering to be honest and backwards.

Plus, we can never, ever bring back corporal punishment in today's society (thank god) so I don't know why so many people are arguing for it. Stop illogically fantasising about a past which was probably much worse than anyone on here cares to "remember".

Haha oh dear - I'm not saying it should be brought back - I'm saying that's what needs to happen to fix things.

I can see it couldn't be brought back, because people couldn't swallow it. I hate to get personal but people like you mate.

Id hardley say referring to the past is illogically fantasising about it.

 

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Again, nonsense. That's just fear in that case.

Also, in general I can't really believe so many people are pro-physical punishment of children in general. Its staggering to be honest and backwards.

Plus, we can never, ever bring back corporal punishment in today's society (thank god) so I don't know why so many people are arguing for it. Stop illogically fantasising about a past which was probably much worse than anyone on here cares to "remember".

Excuse me my friend, its not nonsense it is an absolute documented fact that this went on.

Im certainly not advocating the reintroduction im simply pointing out some examples. I also posted a pretty balanced point of view earlier but then balanced logical points of view dont get very far.

 

[easyrider]

They were exceptional teachers. When they were actually able to teach and keep kids restrained within the law. Its when kids get beyond a certain point where nothing will deter them that a teacher cannot win them over with words.

If they were that good,

They would have command of the situation.

Teaching a subject is just as important as managing the learners.

 

[RoachycaL]

They should be treated as adults with proper respect.

And its ironic how you say they're children yet you're okay with hitting them.

So you're saying all children should be treated like adults? It sounds like a very stone cold attitude to me

 

[RoachycaL]

If they were that good,

They would have command of the situation.

Teaching a subject is just as important as managing the learners.

You should try it mate - see how easy it really is. If you don't have the fearful figure as you walk into a classroom, then kids walk all over you. Fact.

 

[easyrider]

You should try it mate - see how easy it really is. If you don't have the fearful figure as you walk into a classroom, then kids walk all over you. Fact.

I do on a daily basis.

 

[Chimerical]

Excuse me my friend, its not nonsense it is an absolute documented fact that this went on.

Im certainly not advocating the reintroduction im simply pointing out some examples. I also posted a pretty balanced point of view earlier but then balanced logical points of view dont get very far.

What is nonsense is your portrayal of these random examples as major problems.

There are plenty of students who go to school to study and they do not deserve to be collectively punished under a stricter teaching system because of a few delinquents.

You're not just "pointing out examples", you're trying to make a point (of which I'm not entirely clear).

 

[Chimerical]

So you're saying all children should be treated like adults? It sounds like a very stone cold attitude to me

No it isn't. Children should be treated how they are treated in colleges i.e. far more maturely and respectfully.

 

[RoachycaL]

I do on a daily basis.

You're a teacher? Good for you then... Do you keep your kids under control? Rough area? What age range?

What is nonsense is your portrayal of these random examples as major problems.

There are plenty of students who go to school to study and they do not deserve to be collectively punished under a stricter teaching system because of a few delinquents.

You're not just "pointing out examples", you're trying to make a point (of which I'm not entirely clear).

No what is nonsense is that you see a child SWEARING at a headteacher as not a major problem?!?!

Plenty of students go into school and study, they wont get punished if they don't do anything wrong - just like how it is now!

 

[Chimerical]

I can see it couldn't be brought back, because people couldn't swallow it. I hate to get personal but people like you mate.

I think you'll find that many parents couldn't swallow it. Many parents who grew up through a corporal punishment system in fact.

 

[easyrider]

No it isn't. Children should be treated how they are treated in colleges i.e. far more maturely and respectfully.

TBH it depends.

Children respond to different ways of teaching and discipline.

 

[RoachycaL]

I think you'll find that many parents couldn't swallow it. Many parents who grew up through a corporal punishment system in fact.

Most people I talk to that were around when corporal punishment was - can see that it was a good idea and are all for it.

 

[Chimerical]

No what is nonsense is that you see a child SWEARING at a headteacher as not a major problem?!?!

Plenty of students go into school and study, they wont get punished if they don't do anything wrong - just like how it is now!

I swore at a teacher once. I was stressed and annoyed with my friends and I told a teacher to **** off or something like that as I recall.

I managed to get out of it, apologise etc and it was out of place considering who the teacher was etc but to suggest that I should have been just automatically punished for that incident is lame.

Also, I really dislike this comment, "Plenty of students go into school and study, they won't get punished if they don't do anything wrong - just like how it is now!".

That's a typical justification for overtly stringent punishment schemes and turns everyone into some sort of guilty suspect. People make mistakes, especially students at a school where they're growing up through puberty, etc.

To blanket punish them for every little thing is a joke and represents a skewed view of reality. If children were treated more like adults aswell, then they'd act more like adults.

 

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What is nonsense is your portrayal of these random examples as major problems.

There are plenty of students who go to school to study and they do not deserve to be collectively punished under a stricter teaching system because of a few delinquents.

You're not just "pointing out examples", you're trying to make a point (of which I'm not entirely clear).

And just how exactly would the students who just go to school and study get punished?

Surely what we are discussing is how to deal with these "random examples" and these "delinquents". At no point did i suggest that all good students should get caned or belted. At the moment the worst students in my area get pulled out of classes and put into a seperate project where they get outings, guitar lessons, speedboat rides etc. This causes a huge row in the community as they are seen as being rewarded for bad behaviour. Behaviour IS worse today that it used to be im afraid and while i dont necessarily agree with the reintroduction of physical punishment it clear something should be done and i definitely feel there is a lack of parental responsibility in many cases.

 

[easyrider]

You're a teacher? Good for you then... Do you keep your kids under control? Rough area? What age range?

I have no problem keeping my kids in check. Although I set ground rules from the start.

16+

I have been teaching Part time for 12 months while I do my PGCE.
Alongside my e-learner coordinator role.

I thought I would hate it. Find it difficult..But in truth I find it extremely rewarding.

I will not tolerate swearing of any kind and seem to find a path of understanding with the group.

TBH Its how you present and deliver the lesson.

if the Kids are engaged then thats the key.

One bark from me is enough and thats with problem kids.

 

[Chimerical]

Most people I talk to that were around when corporal punishment was - can see that it was a good idea and are all for it.

Well most around me don't. I don't know any parents that are pro-corporal punishment.

And basically, it is pretty safe to assume that most are anti-corporal because you see little demand for it from society. Hardly anyone actually talks about it anymore in real life. Its like the death penalty, its gone forever and its never coming back.

 

[RoachycaL]

I swore at a teacher once. I was stressed and annoyed with my friends and I told a teacher to **** off or something like that as I recall.

I managed to get out of it, apologise etc and it was out of place considering who the teacher was etc but to suggest that I should have been just automatically punished for that incident is lame.

Also, I really dislike this comment, "Plenty of students go into school and study, they won't get punished if they don't do anything wrong - just like how it is now!".

That's a typical justification for overtly stringent punishment schemes and turns everyone into some sort of guilty suspect. People make mistakes, especially students at a school where they're growing up through puberty, etc.

To blanket punish them for every little thing is a joke and represents a skewed view of reality. If children were treated more like adults aswell, then they'd act more like adults.

You swore at a teacher - you get punished, it happens. Same as if you swore at your boss at work and he didn't like it. Just because you've never done it before doesn't mean you can just be let off.

It sets a VERY bad example to the rest of the class if you swore at a teacher and he let you off.

I've done things and been told off for them - and later the teacher has apologised to me, because they felt it was necessary as they have to keep an image up for the class. Fact is, that wouldn't need to have happened years ago.

I dont understand what you're trying to get at. Are you saying that if corporal punishment came back - innocent kids would get punished? How so?

 

[RoachycaL]

I have no problem keeping my kids in check. Although I set ground rules from the start.

16+

I have been teaching Part time for 12 months while I do my PGCE.
Alongside my e-learner coordinator role.

I thought I would hate it. Find it difficult..But in truth I find it extremely rewarding.

I will not tolerate swearing of any kind and seem to find a path of understanding with the group.

TBH Its how you present and deliver the lesson.

if the Kids are engaged then thats the key.

One bark from me is enough and thats with problem kids.

Good for you, I look up to you then.

My experiences of student teachers have always been bad.

Trying to think of new ways of learning and all that bs - I cant stand it