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x1900 series whos getting one.

remember how everyone said the x1800xt was going to be £450-500 on release, i got my x1800xt for a LOT less than that in the first week they were available. even the 7800gtx were only expensive for the first week £480 i think for the top overclocked ones. a whole week later you could get same cards for £100 less.

those euro prices mean those AREN'T the prices they will be after a week, the first 2-3 shops to put prices up try to get people to order before they are listed as coming in stock everywhere and they jack up prices insanely for that, cos simply put, people pay the money.

neither of the new cards are speedbumps, more pipes, fundamental pipe number changes = new gen. at the moment its much more like the g70/x1800xt are the "speed bump" cards for the last gen but they went half way towards the new gen.

remember before new gen was 2 to 4 pipes, 4 to 8, 8 to 16 and was supposed to be 16 to 32. 6800 = 16 g71 = 32. thats the real next gen they were just being weird adding a few pipes to the speed bumped cards this time around. apparently easier to add 8 pipes each time and get good and pumping cores out the plant in good quantities.
 
Well to be fair, there was only a couple of places doing the XT's for £480, and they didn't have any stock, yet the places that did have stock were over £100 cheaper, and that was when they were released, so the XT's were not expensive at all. :)
 
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hedgey said:
imo dropping 450 notes on a gfx card is ludicrous. nvidia/ati are jacking up the cost of gaming and your helping them. gaming isnt a 2k/year hobby for me. sorry nvidia.
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Haha,

Glad to see another person rooted firmly in the *real-world*. I have learnt the hard way, was an extreme benchmarker in the past myself, and have spent a load of money on my hobby..... then after some time the penny drops and you realise what a *fruitless pursuit* it is trying to keep up with the jones.

I agree that ATI/nVidia are slowly jacking the prices up on their top-end graphis cards and it seems (some) people are more than happy to pay for it.

Not only that but now the buggers have designed a system so that punters will be not only one card, but TWO!!!!!!!!!!

It seems like every other component in the PC has remained the same or gone down in price (CPU's HDD etc).

In August 2003 I dropped £213 notes on a Sapphire Radeon 9800 (pro was costing about £300 at the time). Then following instructions I flashed the card to a 9800Pro and am still running it to this day. That makes my card two years and three months old. In March Last year (04) I was *one* click away from buying a AGP Radeon X850XT for £290, really glad I resisted that, as funnily enough I'm now doing the big upgrade (switching to 939/PCI express) and the card that looks tasty to me is the PCI Express X850XT for around £150.00. . .

I have been catching up with the latest news of current VGA solutions (X1800XL, X1800XT, 7800GT, 7800GTX) and they looks great, but I have no clue about this X1900 family or the next thing from nVidia but you can't buy them this week (or even know what the stats on them will be!) so its not even a consideration at this time (still would be interested to know though :)

You are not your PCs, having £500-£1000 pounds of VGA hardware IS NOT COOL!!!!!!!!!!! If you wanna be cool then practice really hard at your gaming and enter some gaming championships and win, now that would be really cool (and maybe u could WIN some latest VGA cards also).

Peace out and big up the S3 Virge :p
 
It's true. The thing is that you just don't need to spend lots of money to get a great gfx card nowadays, unless you want max everything in widescreen with soft shadows and AA/AF. The reality is that my 9800pro@xt gives enough performance on a well setup installation to play all my games to my satisfaction, including BF2 and FEAR. And surely that's all that matters isn't it?

Simon.
 
I might be getting the next gen, if funds allow. My 6800U and nvidia drivers have really ****** me off, so unless ATi is really slow, they get my money this year.

Conc
 
Well, my XP2000, 9700 Pro system is doing fine over here so no chance of me paying out for a new card! :D

Gfx are the one area its getting silly. You can get a 146 opteron for near 100 quid, a raptor for 100, 1gb of ram for 100 (good stuff too), a great 17" monitor for 200, a great motherboard for 100. Oh, and a great graphics card will cost you at least 300. :|
 
hedgey said:
imo dropping 450 notes on a gfx card is ludicrous. nvidia/ati are jacking up the cost of gaming and your helping them. gaming isnt a 2k/year hobby for me. sorry nvidia.
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Most people just sell their old card in order to help fund a new one, it works out relatively cheap to stay up-to-date that way and of course when G71/X1900 appear it will allow poorer people buy cheap older generation cards such as 7800GTX/X1800.
 
High end cards is just the same as expensive car's etc, theres always going to be a market for it and theres always going to be people who think its a waste of money.

Either way... im getting one of the new x1900xtx or top end g71's when they're out.
 
hogfather said:
Well, my XP2000, 9700 Pro system is doing fine over here so no chance of me paying out for a new card! :D
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Haha cool!

I bet when you do finally decide to upgrade that the new system will offer some *serious* improvements that you can actually notice outside of benchmarks.

Its been over two years since I upgraded so I feel I got a good run out of my 9800/Pro (£213) so the prospect of getting a PCI-e X850XT (£150) seems like a fairly decent prospect.

I have been trying to find a nice VGA-Shootout for current VGA solutions 2006, would be interested to see some nice comparisons that have the 9800Pro vs X850XT vs X1800XL/X1800XT.

The one over @ Toms Hardware is *flawed* apperently because ATI have released much better drivers that boost performance across the board.

Shader Model 3.0 - HDR mode and Adaptive AA look like nice features, but I don't think games that support them are Prime-Time ready just yet (same for games that support multi CPUs).

Im not sure what is the *optimum* life cycle of a graphics card (i.e: how long u can get good use from it) but I'm thinking a new card every two years is not bad going (I know some people here wanna upgrade a VGA card that is less than 4 months old???)
 
mmj_uk said:
when G71/X1900 appear it will allow poorer people buy cheap older generation cards such as 7800GTX/X1800.
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Of course I understand what you mean, but to see someone refering to 7800GTX/X1800 series cards as *old* is really funny.

There is a lot of attitude like that knocking around the various forums, we all love our PC's and its a buzz to upgrade to something new and nice, but it makes me whince when I see people talking of 6 month hardware as though its yearssssssssssss old.

I think a lot of (graphic) hardware is released too soon, and it takes some time for driver releases to really get the best from it.

Krowzer said:
im getting one of the new x1900xtx or top end g71's when they're out.
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you soujd excited at the prospect! ;)

what kinda VGA kit you running now?
 
geforcebOY said:
Sounds like ATi might be doing something wrong here, by what i am reading nvidia are gonna win once again.

What if the G71 was clocked at 400mhz would it be running extra cool? And would it have like 400mhz overclocking capibilitys its just that a 32pipe card doesn't sound like a refresh sounds like another generation . Maybe the G80 is 32 and G71 is 24pipes clocked at 700mhz?

Makes sense as people where speculating on a 32pipe card for the G70 but it turned out to be 24 . Just seems like a waste of nvidia's money. Why not clock up the 90nm G70 and then wait for 32pipes to compet with the X2800?
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I thought the G71 was the usual 6 monthly "refresh" ie die shrink to 90 and probably a speed hike because of it? I can't see the G71 being a 32 pipe GPU as there is no need for nVidia to release it yet unless x1900 is that mucher quicker. Hehehehe only Gibbo knows at the mo and he ain't talking :rolleyes:
 
mmj_uk said:
Most people just sell their old card in order to help fund a new one, it works out relatively cheap to stay up-to-date that way and of course when G71/X1900 appear it will allow poorer people buy cheap older generation cards such as 7800GTX/X1800.
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Thats right, i only paid £200 for my x1800 XT. :)

I would'nt be that hopefull of the x1900 tbh, Gibbo has already said that the 512mb GTX holds its own against it, but the x1900 is generally faster, and the G71 is supposed to destroy the x1900. :)
 
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Big.Wayne said:
you soujd excited at the prospect! ;)

what kinda VGA kit you running now?
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Fairly excited yes :p. Im using a laptop at the moment, due to selling the interds of my old pc. But i was using a HIS x800xt pe (AGP). So it should be a nice performance increase to what im use too.
 
...Gibbo has already said that the 512mb GTX holds its own against it, but the x1900 is generally faster, and the G71 is supposed to destroy the x1900.
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That's an interesting claim about the G71 seeing as it's not even sampling yet at AIB partners yet. X1900 is already in the shops though, so you'll be able to buy on the 24th.
 
Im excited about getting the x1900xtx and to see the difference from my current card the x800xl. Which is still a really good card and i can play all the latest games on max apart from fear which doesnt look very nice tbh.
But even if you can play games on max settings they look nicer on a better graphics card eg looks more richer and stronger colours i find.

And as for wasting money on £400+ cards well its up to us, but im sort of getting a bit annoyed at the steady increase in prices of top end cards. Then again all my cards have been expensive:
Geforce4ti4400 £250
Asus 9800xt £350
connect3d x800xl £200

The x1900xtx will be i expect £400+ but i think that will have to be the last part i get for my pc. As its near enough high spec machine and theres nothing worth upgrading...well maybe a new hard drive :)
 
the x1900xt is £370, if you pay more you're being ripped, the gf3 , on release was £330 odd, the X800 pro was about £300 then dropped to £260 quickly once the xt version was available which was around £310-350 depending where you bought it, or the asus version(same card with really unreliable none stock fans) for £400 for no reason. x1800xt was £350ish within a couple days of availability. Card prices AREN'T increasing(excluding the 512 gtx), its normally a case of people growing up, beeing able to afford a little more and ending up going with a better card each gen and eventually paying more than they used to.
 
Futuremark 3DMark 05

ATi RADEON X1900 XT 512MB CrossFire (625MHz VPU / 1450MHz GDDR-3) (not XTX) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
13,501 3DMarks for $1098 (£622.01)

NVIDIA GeForce 7900 512MB (700MHz GPU / 1800MHz GDDR-3 (not GDDR-3+) (AMD A64 FX-60 2.8GHz)
~13,000 3DMarks (?)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 512MB SLi (550MHz GPU / 1200MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
12,200 3DMarks for $1,439.61 (£815.58)

ATi RADEON X1800 XT 512MB CrossFire (625MHz VPU / 1500MHz GDDR-3) (MESH Computers TITAN X1800 FIRE - AMD A64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz)
12,050 3DMarks for $1071.16 (£606.78)

ATi RADEON X1900 XTX 512MB (650MHz VPU / 1550MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
11,149 3DMarks for $649 (£367.67)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 512MB (580MHz VPU / 1703MHz GDDR-3) (ARMARI Pantheon-FX-2.8GHz)
10,062 3DMarks

ATi RADEON X1900 XT 512MB (625MHz VPU / 1450MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
~10,000 3DMarks for $549 (£311.04)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 512MB (550MHz GPU / 1700MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
9,608 3DMarks for $719.81 (£407.79)

ATi RADEON X1800 XT 512MB (625MHz VPU / 1500MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
9,271 3DMarks for $535.56 (£303.39)

ATi RADEON X1800 XT 512MB (625MHz VPU / 1500MHz GDDR-3) (MESH Computers TITAN X1800 FIRE - AMD A64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz)
8,544 3DMarks
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An official (i.e non-forum) article from another site who shall remain nameless, looks like BS to me. But hey.
 
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i certainly wont be buying the x1900XTX gen cards

i just bought a X1800XT Sapphire at christmas and dam it cripples everything i throw at it and then some. 10,3k also flashed to XTPE edition, i have no need for this next gen

i will be doing what i did last year waiting untill around 3rdquarter then getting the X2000XTX, wich will be a true next gen card.
 
Im just hoping that this 1900xtx ive been saving up for is really worth it. Its just got to play every game i own in max details, im not taking exscuses of fear just being badly designed its gonna play beautifully or else ;)
 
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