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masterk said:
Just get one, and stop being a Wuss!!!.
Xbox 360 already hanging
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Just get one, and stop being a Wuss!!!.
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dirtydog said:you're kidding? So there would be no second hand market for PS3 games? That would put me off getting a PS3 for sure. At least with other consoles you know that if you buy a duff game you can sell it on, or sell it when you've completed it or whatever.
Games companies dont like people trading games and the second hand market. I'm pretty sure a number of games developing companies said something about it. Also the Blueray format has something to do with protection to only allow it on one machine (or so they say, but it doesn't sound to be right) for that to happen I assume the machine would have to be hooked up to a database with serial numbers saying which game is on which machine or something and lock it
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wouldnt be a problem if the games were cheaper in the first place 
I know i have no excuse not to, maybe on payday masterk said:
Or the avforums one on how many people have had a problem...
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282371
Quite worrying that the stats show that on there 25% of users have either
"Random crashes, screen freezing regularly etc." 63 people
or
"Its died and sent back to MS" 46 people
or
"works fine" 301 peeps
Now thats not good at all is it, comparted to other console launches that has to be the worst of all time.
This comment made me chuckle ....
"died after 2 days with a red light in the bottom right hand quadrant.
got a "new" one about 2 weeks later from m$.
i use the term new one loosely because when i tried to register the console online,it told me the console had already been registered"
"died after 2 days with a red light in the bottom right hand quadrant.
got a "new" one about 2 weeks later from m$.
i use the term new one loosely because when i tried to register the console online,it told me the console had already been registered"
dirtydog said:I'm glad other people are paying MS for the privilege of beta testing their console so that when I buy one it works okay
I had the money out, finger over the buy button for argos for an hour. Trying to decide. Since doing some forums surfing I agree with you. It stinks sadly that they can sell an item that clearly isnt finished or capable of taking the punishment it was designed for. I really would rather buy the xbox than the sony.
But the hardware seems stressed already and people are having problems with them crashing when hooked upto hdtv's but they are fine when running on a plain old crt.
It just rings too many alarm bells for me to spend £300.
Reading through the Avforums thread another person has had to send three back and more than a few people have sent back two.
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If you worry about something not working once you've bought it, then you wouldn't buy many electrical things at all.
Buying a PC is especially dangerous, since many things attached to the mobo can dislodge slightly, the heatsink can fall off, the PSU can break potentially taking a few components with it. An LCD TV, if dropped, can fracture the panel. A CRT TV with Aperture Grill, if knocked in the right way can dislodge the... aperture grill.
The only reason faulty 360s is being mentioned so much is because you can't walk into the shop and get a replacement there and then. I remember having 3 Mega Drives in a row all faulty out of the box - I don't remember an outcry over Mega Drive reliability.
Suffice it to say, people always like to complain about something, far more than praise it. So the figures online will always, always be skewed. For example, if you had a perfectly working 360, would you stop playing on it, browse the net, and start posting on forums randomly saying how it works perfectly out of the box? Chances are you wouldn't. 300,000 consoles sold, if 1000 are faulty, thats a 0.33% failure rate. A 3% failure rate would equate to 9000 faulty consoles. Kind of puts into perspective how many faulty products there must be out there (3% is average failure rate with electronics products iirc), not just Xbox 360s.
Buying a PC is especially dangerous, since many things attached to the mobo can dislodge slightly, the heatsink can fall off, the PSU can break potentially taking a few components with it. An LCD TV, if dropped, can fracture the panel. A CRT TV with Aperture Grill, if knocked in the right way can dislodge the... aperture grill.
The only reason faulty 360s is being mentioned so much is because you can't walk into the shop and get a replacement there and then. I remember having 3 Mega Drives in a row all faulty out of the box - I don't remember an outcry over Mega Drive reliability.
Suffice it to say, people always like to complain about something, far more than praise it. So the figures online will always, always be skewed. For example, if you had a perfectly working 360, would you stop playing on it, browse the net, and start posting on forums randomly saying how it works perfectly out of the box? Chances are you wouldn't. 300,000 consoles sold, if 1000 are faulty, thats a 0.33% failure rate. A 3% failure rate would equate to 9000 faulty consoles. Kind of puts into perspective how many faulty products there must be out there (3% is average failure rate with electronics products iirc), not just Xbox 360s.
I know its a very small number of people to look at but take this forum. Of those who post we know pretty much all of the ones that own a 360. Now consider how many of those have had problems. It is a pretty poor faliure rate in my opinion.
Boogle said:
So when you buy a car you dont look at reliabilty rates or reviews, after all you could crash it anyway.
Your pc argument makes no sense either, likely no two posters on here have identical systems. Yeah PC's crash a lot of time due to what the user has done rather than hardware faults. The PC also has a lot more uses. To be honest Ive only had a hanfull of crashes in the whole time xp has been out. And all of those where my fault.
The xbox 360 is a standard piece of kit, they should be more or less identical. Therefore there arent the clashes of hardware that you get with a pc. They only had to play test one config on a few machines to find the issues.
And talk of dropping something is irrelevant. If you drop and lcd and it breaks thats tough luck, you arent using it for its intended purpose.
An xbox 360 crashing after 10 minutes of playing PGR is relevant, the machine is not doing what its been brought for.
"If you worry about something not working once you've bought it, then you wouldn't buy many electrical things at all."
Nonscence I'm researching a potential buy and the stats dont look good. I'm also looking at 32 inch samsung lcds and reading the problems with those on av forums. There are a lot less people complaining about those than xbox 360's. Its about weighing up the risk. I also have a dell 2405, i read up on that before buying too. I knew the problems with the panel before buying and weighed it up as a worth while risk.
The 360 doesnt seem worth the risk, when you buy a console you want to be playing it in your house not waiting for dhl. Sure they will replace them but i'm reading people are now getting sent refurbs that seems a bit off to me too.
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dannyjo22 said:
Wow, where to begin.
I would look at the reliability rates, but I would check a standard source for reliability, rather than forums. I would check surveys like Top Gear's. Similiar to how I check reliability of Hard Drives by using Storage Review's reliability guide. I know someone who has had bad luck with Seagate (more than one failed drive, none lasted more than a year). Do I take this single person's experiences over that of say, 5000 people? Seagate are actually quite reliable.
The PC argument makes perfect sense, I didn't mention ANYTHING about software, I mentioned all hardware issues. To compare properly with the Xbox 360, I was assuming the purchase of an OEM PC. As you know, delivery of something isn't the most reliable, and since the OEM can't ensure that everything inside the case is completely secure, then things can become slightly dislodged. Why do you think most mobos now have a clip to secure the AGP card?
When reffering to dropping, I was refering to delivery & storage. It can be knocked during delivery, loading, unloading and even in a warehouse. You can stack say two or three TV boxes on top of each other - what happens if one falls, but lands flat? The box won't show any sign of damage, but the panel inside may well be damaged.
Lets put it this way:
You buy a brand new Samsung 32" LCD TV, with all the mod-cons. You take it home and it doesn't work. You go back to the shop, get it replaced, take the new one back home, it works flawlessly and you're seriously impressed. Do you now go on the forums saying how unreliable Samsung TVs are, or how amazing it is? Baring in mind you're a) Very excited about it because its so amazing and b) Everyone else is saying how amazing it is.
Now lets say you buy an Acer TV (please don't take this as Acer being bad, I'm using them only as an example. Acer are actually very good vfm). Its just as amazing, but everyone on the Internet is saying its not as good as the Samsung, and its cheap & nasty. Do you post on the Internet saying how good it is contradicting everyone, or just stay silent? Now in 2 weeks time it develops a fault, you take it back to the shop, but they don't have any in stock. It takes them 1 week to get you a replacement TV, in the meantime you're stuck with a 14" CRT with no teletext. Would you post on the Internet how angry you are at Acer, or would you say how good the TV was? Baring in mind everyone is enjoying slagging this TV off.
You'll find everyone likes to jump on the 'bandwagon'. Currently that bandwagon is complaining about the Xbox 360's reliability and lack of availability. This just encourages people who would normally just browse a forum, to actually post in it if they can't find an xbox, or have a faulty one.
Also, replacing returns with refurbished models is standard practice throughout the industry. If you send a faulty product back thats a quick fix (say replacing the hard drive in a PC), do you expect the company to dispose of the whole PC? Its bad to the environment, and its bad to profit margins.
If I get a problem with something I trawl the net trying to find answers.
If it is working perfectly with no issues then I do not bother posting about how it works fine.
I agree that there does seem to be a high failure rate, I do not agree that it is accurate to use the sort of percentages that you get from adding up users bad experiences on a forum.
I can't recall how many were sold in the UK was it 350,000 ?
I don't think that 20% of those have been returned personally, if the figures were that high I think we'd be seeing more national reports and much larger statistical samples.
If it is working perfectly with no issues then I do not bother posting about how it works fine.
I agree that there does seem to be a high failure rate, I do not agree that it is accurate to use the sort of percentages that you get from adding up users bad experiences on a forum.
I can't recall how many were sold in the UK was it 350,000 ?
I don't think that 20% of those have been returned personally, if the figures were that high I think we'd be seeing more national reports and much larger statistical samples.
Yes but the avforums poll has a button to click if yours is working fine. So people havent had to post to say it works fine they just click like everyone else. Over 300 of them have. It wasnt over 20% that had returned them it was lower, But a lot of people who didnt tick return has frequent crash problems.
Also some people that had ticked it was working fine then reposted on the thread when theirs died. Accidents happen and sometimes Ive had to replace items, but the xbox problem is certainly not down to delivery accidents.
Yes people maybe jumping on the bandwagon slagging it off but you get just as many people defending it, trying to convince themselves that they havent wasted their money or fanboys. It evens itself out.
I'd imagine the avforums 25% split in returns and crashes as pretty accurate as its not really a gaming forum as such just s poll of the forum users who own one.
Also some people that had ticked it was working fine then reposted on the thread when theirs died. Accidents happen and sometimes Ive had to replace items, but the xbox problem is certainly not down to delivery accidents.
Yes people maybe jumping on the bandwagon slagging it off but you get just as many people defending it, trying to convince themselves that they havent wasted their money or fanboys. It evens itself out.
I'd imagine the avforums 25% split in returns and crashes as pretty accurate as its not really a gaming forum as such just s poll of the forum users who own one.
dannyjo22 said:
Lol; so the only people singing the 360s praises are fanboys or people desperately trying to convince themselves they've not thrown their money away. Lol, I would suggest there is a much larger group who are genuinely impressed and happy; hey, what's made you so cynical
It appears to me that if anyone is going out of their way to convince themselves they've done the right thing it's the fervent minority who haven't got one.
I really haven't seen many threads from people who've gone and got one and are regreting the descision; even those that have had problems.
There's a lot of us who have a 360, fault free atm and are having a blast. Honest
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I've had to send one back...a slight annoyance at most. But so very pleased with the console...getting lots of fun out of it.
Agreed.
smcshaw said:
Agreed.