**XBOX ONE** Official Thread
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10 Family members have access to your games, only ONE family member can play at a time.
That doesn't really justify it. There are many better ways to curb piracy; Sony were doing a pretty good job with the PS3 without having to resort to anything like this.
I've pre-ordered both consoles, and was leaning more towards the Xbox coming mainly from the 360, but even I will admit things continue to look a bit iffy for MS with every new bit of info that comes out. There's seemingly not much coming out that counters any of the negativity. I couldn't really care less about having it connected to the net or any DRM/trade-in issues, but lots of others do and their concerns aren't really being addressed.
It will be interesting to see what's revealed by Sony at E3, and I think everybody needs to take a step back until we see games actually running on both consoles. However, if there is a perceivable difference in graphical quality with the PS4 on cross-platform games because the One really is that underpowered, and Sony don't do anything daft policy wise, I can see them walking this gen as MS will have had such a bad start with all the negative press.
It will be interesting to see what's revealed by Sony at E3, and I think everybody needs to take a step back until we see games actually running on both consoles. However, if there is a perceivable difference in graphical quality with the PS4 on cross-platform games because the One really is that underpowered, and Sony don't do anything daft policy wise, I can see them walking this gen as MS will have had such a bad start with all the negative press.
Lets be realistic here and put some things into perspective:
The RAM isnt 'gimped' , it just isnt as quick as Sony's solution. And besides - the speed of the RAM is the smallest influencing factor on performance of all of the major components, I doubt it is going to make much of a difference real world.
Re: The CPU/GPU - the % difference is about the same as it was this gen power wise between MS's and Sony's offering, and that didnt hamper the 360 at all. Multi-plat titles this gen were in general superior on the 360 to the PS3 (due to technical issues with the PS3 architecture, admitted) and that didnt stop people buying a PS3 did it?
Re: The Cloud - its not going to be some super saviour of processing power, but equally it could create some interesting elements in games that im really interested to experience esp with the potential for how it changes the way we experience persistent world games such as fable, or imagine a new Burnout: Paradise.
Re: The DRM - i strongly suspect Sony will have a similar system in place, why else would EA drop their online pass system completely? think about it.
Re: Used games - the annoyance in regards to this depends how much discount they apply to old titles, really. Retailers have killed the second hand market themselves really by pricing second hand titles £2 cheaper then new ones, as an example. some of the multi-plat blockbusters such as FIFA and CoD stay around their release price right up until the next instalment is announced, and purchasing the previous version is a no-no due to the fact Multi-player is such a big component and most players will move on, so your always stuck paying full price for these titles anyway.
Re: Always online - its just not an issue to me, most of my life is 'always online' now anyway, and im loving the fact I can take my entire games lib to a friends without needing the discs! I may be in the minority, but a steam-like setup on my console is a dream as far as I am concerned. Obviously there are some concerns, and the restrictions might make it a purchase not suited to everyone. Thats okay, its not like you commit a crime by purchasing a PS4, and MS hasn't committed a sin either.
I dont know what all the fuss is about really, there are a lot of positives to the XB1 in my eyes, along with some draw-backs, but thats natural for any product really - how many people wont purchase an IOS device due to the restrictions Apple place upon the hardware and software?
TLDR - The XB1 wont bomb, MS isnt the devil for implementing some of the restrictions they have (and i expect publishers have made Sony add some similar as well), if you prefer a PS4 thats perfectly fine, but the need to constantly slate something for the sake of it is really getting loathsome.
The RAM isnt 'gimped' , it just isnt as quick as Sony's solution. And besides - the speed of the RAM is the smallest influencing factor on performance of all of the major components, I doubt it is going to make much of a difference real world.
Re: The CPU/GPU - the % difference is about the same as it was this gen power wise between MS's and Sony's offering, and that didnt hamper the 360 at all. Multi-plat titles this gen were in general superior on the 360 to the PS3 (due to technical issues with the PS3 architecture, admitted) and that didnt stop people buying a PS3 did it?
Re: The Cloud - its not going to be some super saviour of processing power, but equally it could create some interesting elements in games that im really interested to experience esp with the potential for how it changes the way we experience persistent world games such as fable, or imagine a new Burnout: Paradise.
Re: The DRM - i strongly suspect Sony will have a similar system in place, why else would EA drop their online pass system completely? think about it.
Re: Used games - the annoyance in regards to this depends how much discount they apply to old titles, really. Retailers have killed the second hand market themselves really by pricing second hand titles £2 cheaper then new ones, as an example. some of the multi-plat blockbusters such as FIFA and CoD stay around their release price right up until the next instalment is announced, and purchasing the previous version is a no-no due to the fact Multi-player is such a big component and most players will move on, so your always stuck paying full price for these titles anyway.
Re: Always online - its just not an issue to me, most of my life is 'always online' now anyway, and im loving the fact I can take my entire games lib to a friends without needing the discs! I may be in the minority, but a steam-like setup on my console is a dream as far as I am concerned. Obviously there are some concerns, and the restrictions might make it a purchase not suited to everyone. Thats okay, its not like you commit a crime by purchasing a PS4, and MS hasn't committed a sin either.
I dont know what all the fuss is about really, there are a lot of positives to the XB1 in my eyes, along with some draw-backs, but thats natural for any product really - how many people wont purchase an IOS device due to the restrictions Apple place upon the hardware and software?
TLDR - The XB1 wont bomb, MS isnt the devil for implementing some of the restrictions they have (and i expect publishers have made Sony add some similar as well), if you prefer a PS4 thats perfectly fine, but the need to constantly slate something for the sake of it is really getting loathsome.
While some of this doesnt sell the One to me it doesnt put me off too much either,
I have a fast stable internet conection, just dont do a blizzard with the servers on release.
I have a family account on live still and im intrested in the "families share games" thing but i want more details. Would this mean one copy of BF4 and its DLC would be playable by me and my wife (not at the same time) how do muliple cocurrent users work?
Kintect is spying on me? Tin foil hat stuff to me, if im that bothered ill turn it to look at the wall like all my webcams when they arent used.
500gb hard drive? ill shove a USB one on it at least thats a quick swap unlike breaking into a PS3 or sky box and they arent marketing hard drives at 20x the going rate again (remember the 20gb HD for over £100).
My real concerns:
Games - you better show me something cool on monday
Media support - It better still be able to play my own media off my NAS
Tech specs - Not a concern but show my it shouldnt be at E3
Space requirements for Kinect - If ive got to have it it better work well in my limited space, I dont live in texas and have a 200ft2 living room that i could play football in i live in the UK in a modern house (IE small shoe box)
Main one - STOP SHOOTING YOURSELF IN THE FOOT PR WISE if you scare off the user base then the main reason i want a xbox one (to play with my freinds who are on xbox) will go away to PS4 then ill get a ps4 as well. Xbox curently has critical mass in my freinds list i want a cross platform game i get Xbox cause i have more xbox freinds (RL and internet) if that shifts then so does my spending power.
I have a fast stable internet conection, just dont do a blizzard with the servers on release.
I have a family account on live still and im intrested in the "families share games" thing but i want more details. Would this mean one copy of BF4 and its DLC would be playable by me and my wife (not at the same time) how do muliple cocurrent users work?
Kintect is spying on me? Tin foil hat stuff to me, if im that bothered ill turn it to look at the wall like all my webcams when they arent used.
500gb hard drive? ill shove a USB one on it at least thats a quick swap unlike breaking into a PS3 or sky box and they arent marketing hard drives at 20x the going rate again (remember the 20gb HD for over £100).
My real concerns:
Games - you better show me something cool on monday
Media support - It better still be able to play my own media off my NAS
Tech specs - Not a concern but show my it shouldnt be at E3
Space requirements for Kinect - If ive got to have it it better work well in my limited space, I dont live in texas and have a 200ft2 living room that i could play football in i live in the UK in a modern house (IE small shoe box)
Main one - STOP SHOOTING YOURSELF IN THE FOOT PR WISE if you scare off the user base then the main reason i want a xbox one (to play with my freinds who are on xbox) will go away to PS4 then ill get a ps4 as well. Xbox curently has critical mass in my freinds list i want a cross platform game i get Xbox cause i have more xbox freinds (RL and internet) if that shifts then so does my spending power.
From what I understand, you can have up to 10 users tied to the same account on any one machine and all 10 of those users have access to all content purchased and installed upon it.
In addition, one extra console can access the content on a different machine via their account (which is tied to the main console) at the same time as the main console is being used.
What this means is, if you have yourself and two children - all 3 of you must make accounts on the 'main' console, and you can all access any content installed upon it. The problems begin however if both children have their own consoles as well as, assuming you are playing the main machine, only one of the additional consoles can access the content at any one time.
The only command Kinect is 'looking for' when the machine is off is "Xbox on", and that too can be disabled. Infact Kinect can be disabled completely.
Couldn't agree more.
Supposedly it now works from just over 2 foot away thanks to a super wide-angle lens setup.
Oh lawd, you're one of "those" why don't understand what stealing means.
Taking something you dont have permission to take?
Piracy is stealing, really.
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Why are you comparing the PS3's hard disk to a Skybox's hard disk?
The PS3 hard disk is intentionally user replaceable. Do you actually have a PS3?
What a bizarre thing to say.
Its still not as easy as plugging a single cable in though is it?
Why are you comparing the PS3's hard disk to a Skybox's hard disk?
The PS3 hard disk is intentionally user replaceable. Do you actually have a PS3?
What a bizarre thing to say.
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OLD INFORMATION.... but:
Top 5 Pirated Xbox 360 Games
1. Gears of War 3 (890,000) (Sept. 2011)
2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (830,000) (Nov. 2011)
3. Battlefield 3 (760,000) (Oct. 2011)
4. Forza Motorsport 4 (720,000) (Oct. 2011)
5. Kinect Sports: Season Two (690,000) (Oct. 2011)
Hardly "rubbish" games.
Yeah, no.
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PS3 had the weaker GPU compared to 360.
This generation, the PS4 is has a 50% shader advantage over the XB1, maybe even clocked higher yet who knows. The gap is much bigger between GPUs this time around.
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Don't be so bloody ridiculous. Piracy is stealing, don't give me any of that "it's only a copy BS".
You're depriving the makers of the money they would have made selling you the game.
So why do they have different names if they're the same thing?
If I copy a music CD and give it to a friend, are they stealing?
If you watch a Youtube video that has copyrighted content in it and you don't hold a license to view it, are you stealing it?
Im looking at power as a whole, yeah the PS3's GPU was pants but as a whole the system was quite a bit more powerful then the 360, and it just didn't materialise in games.
Im not saying there wont be a difference, but I doubt there's going to be enough of a difference that anyone is going to care. Look at RDR on the PS3 - still sold like hot-cakes, didnt put anyone off from buying future multi-plats even with the amount of whining it generated from the .2% of the userbase who like to complain on online forums
Google has to pay royalties, so no, and if they dont negotiate then it gets taken down.
I dont agree with this per-se. Its not money they would have made from selling the game because there's no guarantee they would actually purchase the game.
Its still stealing however.
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Quite frankly, you're just being a NO! if you really believe that downloading a game and playing it, without paying any consideration for it, is not in principle theft.
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The RAM isn't gimed - however it is much slower, more complicated (due to the need for eSRAM) and has less available in total for games (3GB reserved for OS compared to 1GB on PS4) This will make quite a big difference. It's also the reason for the reported manufacturing issues.
The CPU/GPU- This is not comparable to the situation with PS3/360 at all. This time they are both using the same architecture for these, where as before they were completely different and not directly comparable. The CPU's are almost identical, the real issue here is the PS4 has a big advantage in the GPU, even more so if the XB1 downclock is true. The gap here is much bigger than with PS3 vs 360.
The cloud - it's essentially all PR speak from Microsoft, even if all they claim that's capable of was to be true, you would have a situation where in a few years time your games could be useless as they've turned off the cloud servers that supported them.
The DRM - Whatever Sony does do, we already know it's not going to be the same system that Microsoft are using. Sony has already confirmed that you can play the PS4 without ever having it connected to the internet if you wish, which rules out the kind of DRM Microsoft are using straight away.
Used Games - It's unacceptable that we should be restricted in this area, consoles have always been about sharing the games and selling them on. (PC's have always been different in this area)
Always Online - As i've said earlier in this thread, it may not be a problem for you directly, but for literally millions of people with bad or no internet at all, this console is no longer an option for them. And then there's also the issue of if your internet goes down, or the Microsoft servers, or if there's an issue at any point in the loop which stops you pinging the Microsoft servers. In these situation you no longer have a games console, but just a simple blu-ray player. Do you find that acceptable?
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Who gives a **** about that? I replaced my ps3 HDD it took about 5 mins all told.. That was something like 3 years ago, guess what I've not had to touch it since. I'd prefer a internal HDD I can swap to a external USB drive any day. Most large USB drives also require power.. There goes one more of my socket spaces, it might sound daft but that's actually a issue given the amount of things needing power.
You can defend it all you want, Every bit of news since they announced has made the system worse! Also you will likely be taking game discs to your friends still, unless you are wanting to wait an hr or two downloading the game content to play at your friends.
Theft indicates intent to deprive. You're wrong.