**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

rp2000 said:
Personally, I find the information they have released today highly confusing, for the average user. Mr Men, do you honestly think the details they have revealed today are:

1) easy to comprehend for an average user who buys the console?
2) good for consumers who like to trade/buy 2nd hand games on the high street?
3) good for people who have slow or unstable internet connections?


rp2000
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No, no and no :)
 
TheVoice said:
That's not the point though, and yet people keep bringing this up. The point is that there should be no need for it to keep checking that you're online, licensed to use the game etc. It adds nothing of any real value for the user.

Installing games and not needing the discs to run them is great, I like that idea. It's not unreasonably either that it needs to do certain checks to ensure you 'own' the game otherwise yes, people would buy a game, trade it in or lend it to friends etc. whilst still getting the use from it. But they should also offer the ability to run the game with the disc in the drive when an internet connection isn't available, just as you would now. Or give you a longer grace period. Or something, anything.

I don't really know what the solution is, but it's not my job to figure that out either.
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Agreed. It's not about the idea being impossible for me but that it shouldn't be a concern in the first place. At no point should it ever be necessary to have an internet connection for an offline game using a traditional media format.

Are we going to see a new Zune that will require access to WiFi or 3G to check all the music on there is linked to your account?
 
Mr Men said:
No, no and no :)
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Cool.

I mean we are all techy people in this thread and the limitations will cause no issues for most of us (with the exception of not being able to sell on games easily/at all). But for the average joe, unless MS are good at explaining everything up front , this all seems a tad confusing.


rp2000
 
Who are all these mythical people that have slow or unusable internet connections? I live in a fairly remote area and I've never had my internet down for an hour let alone 24. This is with Talk Talk as well who I believe are statistically one of the worst providers!
 
Shamikebab said:
Who are all these mythical people that have slow or unusable internet connections? I live in a fairly remote area and I've never had my internet down for an hour let alone 24. This is with Talk Talk as well who I believe are statistically one of the worst providers!
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Anything can happen. Only last week some nit-wit BT engineer cut my wire at the cabinet by mistake. Luckily they fixed it within 24 hours.
 
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Shamikebab said:
Who are all these mythical people that have slow or unusable internet connections? I live in a fairly remote area and I've never had my internet down for an hour let alone 24. This is with Talk Talk as well who I believe are statistically one of the worst providers!
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That would be the same Surrey of London? Don't take it to heart when I neglect to take the next door neighbor to the capital as the booneys of internet connection. Up until two years ago, my hometown residence in N.I. was in an area where 1mbps was the max available. I find it hard to believe that was the last area to be similarly crippled.
 
ic1male said:
Anything can happen. Only last week some nit-wit BT engineer cut my wire at the cabinet by mistake. Luckily they fixed it within 24 hours.
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Yeah and i had a power cut when someone put a JCB though the power cable down the road but utility supplies (I see internet as a utility these days) in the UK as a whole are very reliable. ADSL used to go down once a week when it was first released by BT back around 2000 as a whole its pretty stable now.

How many times a year do you lose power/gas/water/phone/net?

Speed on the other hand is much more of an issue, if you live in the sticks then you are going to have issues on 512k ADSL.
 
Shamikebab said:
Who are all these mythical people that have slow or unusable internet connections? I live in a fairly remote area and I've never had my internet down for an hour let alone 24. This is with Talk Talk as well who I believe are statistically one of the worst providers!
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Believe it or not there is a whole world out there and Microsoft probably want to do business in those places too!! I am no expert but i can't think the whole world has as good internet infrastructure as the UK/US etc

I'm not sure what you class as remote but location has very little to do with reliability in my experience. Plus speed packet loss etc is often just as big an issue as reliabilty. But anyway, forums are full of people with connectivity problems. ISP phone lines are always full of them as well. Just because they don't affect you or I doesn't mean they are mythical.

You are another one in this thread who is happy to use workarounds or accept practices that generally sound bad for consumers as a whole, but are unconcerned as they don't affect you individually.

Edit: Surrey, remote LOL.


rp2000
 
A lot of computer games companies have gone bust in recent years. I think preowned games should go, but then the price of games should then be reduced.

Companies gone bust:- Rage, Argonaut, Aclaim to name a few
 
Shamikebab said:
Who are all these mythical people that have slow or unusable internet connections? I live in a fairly remote area and I've never had my internet down for an hour let alone 24. This is with Talk Talk as well who I believe are statistically one of the worst providers!
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I live in Surrey and until April my internet was absolutely awful. Used to get disconnects every day. Luckily BT stuck some fibre in back in April and now i get a nice reliable 40Mbps. It still isn't the point though, there are going to be millions of 360 owners who won't be able to own a XB1 as they don't have good internet, or no internet at all.
 
TheVoice said:
That's not the point though, and yet people keep bringing this up. The point is that there should be no need for it to keep checking that you're online, licensed to use the game etc. It adds nothing of any real value for the user.

Installing games and not needing the discs to run them is great, I like that idea. It's not unreasonably either that it needs to do certain checks to ensure you 'own' the game otherwise yes, people would buy a game, trade it in or lend it to friends etc. whilst still getting the use from it. But they should also offer the ability to run the game with the disc in the drive when an internet connection isn't available, just as you would now. Or give you a longer grace period. Or something, anything.

I don't really know what the solution is, but it's not my job to figure that out either.
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From everything ive read ( I actually read the entire statement, not the edited version on Blog sites) its doesn't really say much about the 24hr thing, it doesnt read to me that its an ABSOLUTE requirement.
Its not about adding anything to the user, it about protecting the work done by the Devs because of the growing piracy in gaming, theirs a reason this stuff exists, to make them more money and protect what they made. Ms arnt making the money, and the more you read, its more written to the Devs then end gamers.

What you think Sony has any control over this, you think Sony are going to say to the Devs of the exact same game, screw you guys, we arnt doing that, you think Devs are just going to say..ohh..yea fine.

People are talking about not buy the Xone etc etc, utterly completely stupid, you want to hit the people that are making this happen, don't buy EA games, and other publishers, THATS how you hurt them.

And just on the PRISM thing, thats even funnier, confirming what most of us thought for years, but form some reason, MS is the biggest to blame, I wonder how many in here that complain about a unreleased product currently is on Facebook and has a Android phone in their pocket...but yea...sure...lets just point at MS.
 
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MrBlobby said:
A lot of computer games companies have gone bust in recent years. I think preowned games should go, but then the price of games should then be reduced.

Companies gone bust:- Rage, Argonaut, Aclaim to name a few
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I agree if games were much cheaper say £25 max then I could accept that I couldn't trade it in or sell it. They wont be though, most pundits think they will in fact cost more then they do now.

If developers produce naff games and go bust it is their own fault...

The other problem now is that since you will be unable to rent games to see if you would like to purchase them, you have to take a gamble that the £50+ you splash out is on a game you actually like!

They are being greedy in stopping the second hand market, its as simple as that. What right do the developers have in demanding money because you sell something THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR?!?!?!

Anyway the sales will speak for themselves in the long run. IF the ps4 allows second hand games and the Xbox doesn't then MS's folly will become apparent very quickly.
 
House said:
If you mean between 60 & 100 million installs depending on whos stats you believe then im sure they will live with that in the first year.
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It is believed that this included the OEM licences to suppliers not activated OS's. Stats who'd believe them.

In other news a survey agreed I was right 100% of the time :)
 
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