**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

[kitch9]

I really don't see what the issue is, they have to protect themselves from pirated software and it is rife. The amount of j taggers on online games hacking the games is unreal, remember playing modern warfare 2 and loads using thermal thru walls and stuff. I'd happily make a phone call if my net went down if it stops people trying to gain advantage by trying to hack online games

Piracy is not the reason that they are doing this and piracy on the consoles is not "rife." Both consoles remain fairly secure from a piracy point of view, which after 8 years is impressive and both MS and Sony will be confident that their new consoles will be secure through their lifetime.

The only reason this DRM exists is to fully control you and your use of the software you have paid for. The fact you think that having to ring MS to beg to be able to play the games on the console you've bought and paid for if you run into difficulties is just laughable, I'm full of despair.

 

[Kreeeee]

lol what?? This place has been so xbox centric since long before the 360 was released.

TBH i am shocked at the amount of people outraged at it on here.

As much as JUMPURS is a raging Sony fangirl... he's right.

 

[phil_t98]

Piracy is not the reason that they are doing this and piracy on the consoles is not "rife." Both consoles remain fairly secure from a piracy point of view, which after 8 years is impressive and both MS and Sony will be confident that their new consoles will be secure through their lifetime.

The only reason this DRM exists is to fully control you and your use of the software you have paid for. The fact you think that having to ring MS to beg to be able to play the games on the console you've bought and paid for if you run into difficulties is just laughable, I'm full of despair.

Piracy is still massive this gen, both 360 and ps3 have piracy. 360 has been bad, do u not remember Microsoft doing lots of console bans during this gen because of piracy?

 

[Skyboat]

The amount of j taggers on online games hacking the games is unreal, remember playing modern warfare 2 and loads using thermal thru walls and stuff.

That's not piracy, that's hacking. Even long before the master keys were cracked on the PS3, it was possible to cheat on MW2 by hacking the save game profile.

 

[norm]

Piracy is still massive this gen, both 360 and ps3 have piracy. 360 has been bad, do u not remember Microsoft doing lots of console bans during this gen because of piracy?

If piracy wasn't possible, would those pirates have purchased the game, probably not. Therefore MS aren't really losing any revenue.

Whereas the second hand game market, that's far wider reaching than piracy, and they stand gain a lot of money by regulating it.

 

[phil_t98]

If piracy wasn't possible, would those pirates have purchased the game, probably not. Therefore MS aren't really losing any revenue.

Whereas the second hand game market, that's far wider reaching than piracy, and they stand gain a lot of money by regulating it.

Microsoft is not gaining anything from 2nd hand games, the publishers are the ones pushing for this. The ps4 will have this to plus also would u be happy somebody is using your product without paying for it? Am sure most company's out there would take a stance on that. In my opinion if you couldn't pirate software there would be more sales, not massively more but people would be forced to pay like the rest of us do. Why should we pay for games and some people not?

 

[Glaucus]

Microsoft is not gaining anything from 2nd hand games, the publishers are the ones pushing for this. The ps4 will have this to

So many people seem to of missed this.
Still is the gamble worth it, suppose it all depends what preferential treatment they've secured by pandering to developers.

 

[FoxEye]

If piracy wasn't possible, would those pirates have purchased the game, probably not. Therefore MS aren't really losing any revenue.

Whereas the second hand game market, that's far wider reaching than piracy, and they stand gain a lot of money by regulating it.

If nobody pirated, companies wouldn't have to waste resources trying to stop it.

Software piracy really is indefensible. I admit I'm not innocent, I used to download like crazy a decade ago. But I support the devs as best I can these days (hello Steam sales! )

As for the 2nd hand market, that does concern me. If they can prevent/control it, the possibility exists that purchasing games will become much more expensive. For example, what if they decide that the new CoD game will never be sold for less than £25? There will be no more picking up a 2nd hand copy for £5, as you can now.

So I guess we will return to the time where you didn't just buy a game on impulse, you read all the reviews, played the demo, and only bought a select handful of games each year.

 

[kitch9]

Piracy is still massive this gen, both 360 and ps3 have piracy. 360 has been bad, do u not remember Microsoft doing lots of console bans during this gen because of piracy?

Its not "massive" at all, christ. Its a tiny minority who have the dedication to jump through the massive hoops of constantly updating and faffing with files on a banned console just to get games to work.

The PS3 hack will only work on a 4 year old or so console and a Jtag on a 360 means an instant ban so you are stuck playing the mostly pathetic 6 hour single player campaigns when get insulted with now a days.

Piracy is not the reason MS are doing this. Stop being a sad apologist, its weird.

Microsoft is not gaining anything from 2nd hand games, the publishers are the ones pushing for this. The ps4 will have this to plus also would u be happy somebody is using your product without paying for it? Am sure most company's out there would take a stance on that. In my opinion if you couldn't pirate software there would be more sales, not massively more but people would be forced to pay like the rest of us do. Why should we pay for games and some people not?

Where are you getting this guff from? Microsoft will get all the money paid to them from second hand sales and will redistribute to the pubs as they see fit or has been agreed. The only ones losing out to all this are us and you weirdly want to happy clap about it.

 

[phil_t98]

If nobody pirated, companies wouldn't have to waste resources trying to stop it.

Software piracy really is indefensible. I admit I'm not innocent, I used to download like crazy a decade ago. But I support the devs as best I can these days (hello Steam sales! )

As for the 2nd hand market, that does concern me. If they can prevent/control it, the possibility exists that purchasing games will become much more expensive. For example, what if they decide that the new CoD game will never be sold for less than £25? There will be no more picking up a 2nd hand copy for £5, as you can now.

So I guess we will return to the time where you didn't just buy a game on impulse, you read all the reviews, played the demo, and only bought a select handful of games each year.

haven't they said its up to publishers if they decide to charge for 2nd hand games? can see EA and ubisoft but what if the activation fee is small? buy a 6month old game for £15 quid and £5 activation fee seems ok to me. EA been doing it with online pass and there games went realy cheap 2nd hand because of this could have the same effect on next gen games if they do the same, maybe

 

[Kreeeee]

So many people seem to of missed this.
Still is the gamble worth it, suppose it all depends what preferential treatment they've secured by pandering to developers.

You're in lala land if you think MS won't take a cut from the resales.

 

[biron_w]

ubisoft but what if the activation fee is small? buy a 6month old game for £15 quid and £5 activation fee seems ok to me.

I've said before that i've no problem with publishers making some money but it all depends how much money they want.

 

[Macro]

You've no way of knowing it's off unless you unplug the machine from the wall. It's already known there are Arm processors in the new consoles so the machine can be in standby pulling the usual 2-3 watts from the wall and still have the processing power available to it of a modern mobile phone.

I may sound paranoid, but MS have a potentially massively powerful tool available to them which we are supposed to believe that they won't use because they "promise" they won't.

You could say the same thing about every laptop, smartphone, tablet, smart TV, console or pretty much any other device with a standby function.

Paranoid doesn't even begin to cover it.

 

[kitch9]

You could say the same thing about every laptop, smartphone, tablet, smart TV, console or pretty much any other device with a standby function.

Paranoid doesn't even begin to cover it.

I've already answered in this thread why a games console, any games console is completely different to the devices you mention, as in not even in the same park, simply because of how they work.

 

[Macro]

Kinect doesn't worry me from a security point of view. It bothers me that they assume everyone is going to have a living room set up. I game on a PC screen slouched back in an office chair. I'd never be able to play kinect in my gaming room even if I wanted to. So why should I need to have that hunk of crap cluttering up my desk. If I can turn it all off brilliant, so why not let me just disconnect it and throw it in the drawer or better still sell me the xbone £50 cheaper and stick it.

FWIW Kinect for Windows can "see" as close as 40cm. Guesswork I know but I assume that Xbox One can cope with similar ranges.

MS have said the Kinect is required as it gives devs a consistent environment to code to, they followed up saying it could be disabled but you might need it for some elements of some games. I guess we'll know more this week maybe.

 

[msmalls74]

Microsoft is not gaining anything from 2nd hand games, the publishers are the ones pushing for this. The ps4 will have this to plus also would u be happy somebody is using your product without paying for it? Am sure most company's out there would take a stance on that. In my opinion if you couldn't pirate software there would be more sales, not massively more but people would be forced to pay like the rest of us do. Why should we pay for games and some people not?

From what i feel is that it will cost a shop a lot of money to be registered as a XB1 trade in centre. All the money from the trade in will be shared between store, publisher and who ever trades it in though. MS said they wont get any money from the trade in, which they wont, they just get some kind of fee from the store using the system required to trade it in. Hopefully we will found out more from MS and Sony wrt this issue.

 

[ZG002]

I've said before that i've no problem with publishers making some money but it all depends how much money they want.

See that's the thing, New games cost a fortune. If they squeeze everyone too much it could harm the up take of the actual consoles leading to less sales in the long run. Of course they know more than me but it seems they are walking a thin line.

 

[Macro]

Don't forget Sony were the first to mention the DRM/Second hand games thing back in February, this isn't just a Microsoft thing. Sony very specifically said after the PS4 reveal that charges for resale of games will be decided by publisher which suggests PS4 will have a mechanism to enforce it. It's not that different from the business model set by Steam for PC games, frankly I don't think it's going away with either console this gen.


Sonys Shuhei Yoshida said in February:

Reference a question: So if someone buys a PlayStation 4 game, you're not going to stop them reselling it?
"So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?"

On activation codes for secondhand PS4 titles:
It's a publisher decision. We are not talking about it. Sorry.

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PlayStation UK Managing Director Fergal Gara was asked to confirm reports of Yoshida's earlier "used games are OK" statements.

"Well, first of all, we haven't stated that second-hand games... we haven’t made a statement on the second-hand games question," Gara said. "The answer to the pre-owned question isn’t clarified just yet and we’re working through that and we’ll announce our position in more detail as and when we can."
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[dannyjo22]

lol what?? This place has been so xbox centric since long before the 360 was released.

TBH i am shocked at the amount of people outraged at it on here.

It says a lot how badly wrong they have got it. As you say this forum has been massively pro 360, myself included. This isn't a forum where suddenly you have a load of Sony users being able to beat the stick at MS, this is the fan base holding their head in their hands wondering why MS don't want their money anymore

3 or 4 months ago I was talking to Wyrdo on Live about the upcoming releases and said that I would just get whatever MS threw out regardless of whether the Sony had more power because I liked the MS experience/controller etc.

I just didn't think they could get it this wrong for me. Now I'm looking a gfx cards and going to Pc gaming. Hell it will be cheaper and still plays DVD's Blu rays and TV TV TV!

 

[msmalls74]

Don't forget Sony were the first to mention the DRM/Second hand games thing back in February, this isn't just a Microsoft thing. Sony very specifically said after the PS4 reveal that charges for resale of games will be decided by publisher which suggests PS4 will have a mechanism to enforce it.

What was said is that Sony wont block used game sales but publishers can, this is the exact same system that is in place now on this current gen, only Capcom have done this on a few games. Much the same Sony said the PS3 will not be region locked by them but publishers can choose to, so far only one on the PS3 has been region locked. The difference between the teo systems is by default with MS, publishers have to allow used games, and even then MS have to allow it to happen with their system. In Sonys case by default Publishers have to ask not allow a game to be resold. Its all up in the air anyway as MS response are as clear as mud in some cases, and Sony even what they have said about always online and used, its still not clear what they are going to do.