**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

Macro said:
Don't forget Sony were the first to mention the DRM/Second hand games thing back in February, this isn't just a Microsoft thing. Sony very specifically said after the PS4 reveal that charges for resale of games will be decided by publisher which suggests PS4 will have a mechanism to enforce it.


Sonys Shuhei Yoshida said in February:
Reference a question: So if someone buys a PlayStation 4 game, you're not going to stop them reselling it?
"So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?"

On activation codes for secondhand PS4 titles:
It's a publisher decision. We are not talking about it. Sorry.

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PlayStation UK Managing Director Fergal Gara was asked to confirm reports of Yoshida's earlier "used games are OK" statements.
"Well, first of all, we haven't stated that second-hand games... we haven’t made a statement on the second-hand games question," Gara said. "The answer to the pre-owned question isn’t clarified just yet and we’re working through that and we’ll announce our position in more detail as and when we can."
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Youve mentioned this several times before - I dont see what your point is, Sony had their reveal back in Feb so its not a surprise they mentioned such tactics. MS had their reveal in May and did the same.

Is there any real pertinence in the timings that you seem to allude to? Is one of them worse for saying it sooner or later or before tea time or something?

About as tired as kitch9s points regards Kinect trying to have a wide enough view to fit in my penis so it can take candids.

EDIT: And heres the 3 other times youve posted the same information :rolleyes::
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=24350082
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=24351007
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=24364247

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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biron_w said:
I've said before that i've no problem with publishers making some money but it all depends how much money they want.
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I think you can bet your ass the activation fee isn't going to be £5. It'll probably be close the cost of the game, and if you're lucky will fall over time.

Let's not forget this 'activation fee' isn't just going to stop you playing the game online as with this gen's games. It will be necessary to pay this fee to play the game _at all_. Thus the fee won't be small, because they have you by the balls ;) And let's face it, they don't like 2nd hand games one bit.
 
kitch9 said:
I've already answered in this thread why a games console, any games console is completely different to the devices you mention, as in not even in the same park, simply because of how they work.
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So PS2 with Eyetoy is right out as well PS3 and 360? How is an iPad different, how do you know there's not some microcode hidden away in the cortex chipset allowing the mic and camera to be silently activated and then upload very low speed BITS data if certain key phrases are detected? Same with a smartphone, you have no idea what micro code is native in the chipset.

Why would Xbox one be any different?
 
ps3ud0 said:
Youve mentioned this several times before - I dont see what your point is, Sony had their reveal back in Feb so its not a surprise they mentioned such tactics. MS had their reveal in May and did the same.

Is there any real pertinence in the timings that you seem to allude to? Is one of them worse for saying it sooner or later or before tea time or something?

About as tired as kitch9s points regards Kinect trying to have a wide enough view to fit in my penis so it can take candids.

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I mention it because there's a lot of posts that suggest people are not aware Sony have already said much the same thing as MS in regards to second hand games etc. I mention the time scales as it sets some context before we see "Once MS had done this Sony had to follow" comments.

It seems somewhat disingenuous to suggest only MS are doing this. As for tired, pretty much everything past page 5 of this thread is a repeat of the same stuff. Just because it's not anti Xbox and highlights Sony, or indeed Valve with steam, may not be entirely innocent of the same intentions doesn't make the point less valid.

Feel free to add me to ignore if you find my posts tiresome. I wasn't aware you had been made the forum police and you manage to repeat yourself over and over again. Perhaps you could go through the entire thread and remove anything that has been mentioned more than once by anyone?

From some of the posts some posters may have missed that Sony had similar plans so I mentioned it again, your attention to me and stalking my previous posts is flattering but a bit weird. :rolleyes:
 
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Sony are passing the buck onto the publishers with regards to second hand games, whilst Microsoft aren't. That's where the problem lies. Gamers can then vote with their wallets against those publishers who decide to restrict second hand sales of their games on the PS4, instead of raging at Sony for building a hugely restrictive system.
 
Macro said:
I mention it because there's a lot of posts that suggest people are not aware Sony have already said much the same thing as MS in regards to second hand games etc. I mention the time scales as it sets some context before we see "Once MS had done this Sony had to follow" comments.

It seems somewhat disingenuous to suggest only MS are doing this. As for tired, pretty much everything past page 5 of this thread is a repeat of the same stuff. Just because it's not anti Xbox and highlights Sony, or indeed Valve with steam, may not be entirely innocent of the same intentions doesn't make the point less valid.

Feel free to add me to ignore if you find my posts tiresome. I wasn't aware you had been made the forum police and you manage to repeat yourself over and over again. Perhaps you could go through the entire thread and remove anything that has been mentioned more than once by anyone?

From some of the posts some posters may have missed that Sony had similar plans so I mentioned it again, your attention to me and stalking my previous posts is flattering but a bit weird. :rolleyes:
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When you copy the same information several times, it becomes embarrassing. Maybe add a link to your signature or summarise your point like you did just there. Interesting that you didnt fully quote my post, I think you made my point right there.

Please dont think Im stalking you, its not hard to remember seeing the same bolded statements with indents again and again, especially with the same standard point. It amounts to link and run. LOL at your reaction...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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ps3ud0 said:
When you copy the same information several times, it becomes embarrasing. Maybe add a link to your signature or summarise your point like you did just there. Interesting that you didnt fully quote my post, I think you made my point right there.

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I didn't quote your post entirely as you ninja edited after I had already hit the quote button and was replying to it. I think it interesting that you would try to prove some kind of point by omitting that you added the extra bits after I had already replied. Tut, tut, shoddy work, if you're going to try and attack the person rather than the argument you need to make a better effort.

I get it, you don't like anyone showing Sony may have been already doing this DRM stuff prior to MS. I note that despite whining about me mentioning it you haven't actually taken the time to offer any thoughts or refute it. :rolleyes:
 
Skyboat said:
Sony are passing the buck onto the publishers with regards to second hand games, whilst Microsoft aren't. That's where the problem lies. Gamers can then vote with their wallets against those publishers who decide to restrict second hand sales of their games on the PS4, instead of raging at Sony for building a hugely restrictive system.
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So far they sound very similar, MS have the system in place, they've already said they take no cut and its upto the publish.

Sony there's something in place for the publishers, but what we have no idea.

Still think people need to calm down a bit and wait for more info, just because Sony has said less, doesn't mean they are going to be better. If it was so dry cut they would have said something by know, they are at the minimum considering something similar, and by what they have said already almost certainly will have something similar. It just sends in the fine details which will be preferable.
Hopefully this along with their recent judgment will get the EU in gear and give digital rights the same as physical, both for owners and publishers.
 
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Macro said:
I didn't quote your post entirely as you ninja edited after I had already replied. I think it interesting that you would try to prove some kind of point by omitting that you added the extra bits after I had already replied. Tut, tut, shoddy work, if you're going to try and attack the person rather than the argument you need to make a better effort.

I get it, you don't like anyone showing Sony may have been already doing this DRM stuff prior to MS. I note that despite whining about me mentioning it you haven't actually taken the time to offer any thoughts or refute it. :rolleyes:
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So it took you over 10mins to make your post after I had edited mine? To which you then had to re-edit 5mins later. Look I made an observation you keep copying and pasting the same information again and again, surely if you thought it was being ignored you could have stated it better rather than just doing the same thing.

I just cant believe your reaction to a genuine point especially the unoriginal dismissive 'Oh you must love Sony' argument. LOL, at least attempt an argument on a sound basis, rather than act like a child when someone decides to question it....

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
ps3ud0 said:
When you copy the same information several times, it becomes embarrassing. Maybe add a link to your signature or summarise your point like you did just there. Interesting that you didnt fully quote my post, I think you made my point right there.

Please dont think Im stalking you, its not hard to remember seeing the same bolded statements with indents again and again, especially with the same standard point. It amounts to link and run. LOL at your reaction...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Oh, and another edit to add to a post. How about adding something of interest to the debate rather than poor, and frankly somewhat childish ad hominem arguments.
 
Macro said:
Oh, and another edit to add to a post. How about adding something of interest to the debate rather than poor, and frankly somewhat childish ad hominem arguments.
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You do realise that my edit was only there because you added to your post. The mods can see all our edits, so to be quite honest Im quite comfortable in what and how Ive posted...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Macro said:
Oh, and another edit to add to a post. How about adding something of interest to the debate rather than poor, and frankly somewhat childish ad hominem arguments.
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ps3ud0 said:
You do realise that my edit was only there because you added to your post. The mods can see all our edits, so to be quite honest Im quite comfortable in what and how Ive posted...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Get a room you two ;)
 
ps3ud0 said:
So it took you over 10mins to make your post after I had edited mine? To which you then had to re-edit 5mins later. Look I made an observation you keep copying and pasting the same information again and again, surely if you thought it was being ignored you could have stated it better rather than just doing the same thing.

I just cant believe your reaction to a genuine point especially the unoriginal dismissive 'Oh you must love Sony' argument. LOL, at least attempt an argument on a sound basis, rather than act like a child when someone decides to question it....

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Yes, you may find it surprising but I have other things to do. You know very well the only bits missing from my quote were the bits you added later in your edit so I don't get your point, are you confused somehow?

I made a point and you started with whine about it being tiresome, presumably you expect everyone here to go back and check every post. I think it's pertinent to the discussion and it seemed some of the poster hadn't seen the information. It may come as a surprise to you but this thread hasn't just been written for you and other people join the discussion later.

I see you still can't find anything interesting to say beyond your growing personal obsession with me... Weird... :eek:
 
Then just link back to one of your posts, just like people do when linking to news articles, not copy and paste the same thing 4 times in the same thread.

Am I really making a poor point here?

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
ic1male said:
My head is going to explode if this shenanigans is going to carry on until launch day. :p
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I have a feeling E3 isn't going to answer all the questions people have by a long way.

In either case I think the upshot is there will be two extremely capable consoles later in the year which, draconian DRM not withstanding can only be good for gaming. I'm hoping the x86 architecture used for both consoles gives a boost to PC gaming as well although given the amount of custom circuitry I doubt ports will be completely straight forward.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Then just link back to one of your posts, just like people do when linking to news articles, not copy and paste the same thing 4 times in the same thread.

Am I really making a poor point here?

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Yes. You decided to make ad hominem attacks rather than address the content of the post because you found it "tiresome" as it had been mentioned before, others may have found it useful. It is certainly pertinent to the thread.

I can't help but notice the irony of your sensitivity to someone repeating something from a previous post when you finish every single post with the same "ps3ud0 :cool:" as if we can't read your name on the side of the forum. :eek:

Anyway, perhaps you could stop trying to derail the thread now?
 
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