**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

Glaucus said:
Bahhhhaaaaaa did you read my post, doesn't sound like it
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Of course I did and the whole "Doesn't mean they will use it blablabla" is a cop out.

What's more there's a huge difference between 3rd party publishers building these types of systems and Microsoft building it for them.
 
**** me its like the football forum, more likely someone will get banned telling a troll to **** off than anything ever happening to the crap they post, someone needs to grow a pair
 
Purdy said:
Glaucus can you see all negative effects the original plan had on lots of groups of people?
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Can I see negatives of course. People blew them out of proportion though. People still think you could not sell second hand games. They also weren't aware of the benefits, even when posted the MS quotes and policies they still don't belive it.
It can not be all consumer. This system on offer gave far more to us than the developers did.

And on top of that in years to come, just like music, pc games etc, you will be buying digital and we will now be far worse off for it.
 
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[ui]ICEMAN;24485267 said:
The world is full of people that complain about the most trivial things, rightly or wrongly, it's just the culture we live in today. That doesn't make it right to do so, as more often than not, it's not for a true benefit or cause.

Stating (as many have done) that things should stay as they are, is the very definition of narrow minded and short sightedness as there is no caveat or exclusion to their statements. If they were to say something to the effect of "it would be nice to play used games and that the console doesn't require a permanent connection to the net to be used, but I understand that some of the benefits I will receive may conflict with that" would be a balanced and reasoned argument.

As you well know, there are far more people hopping on the bandwagon regarding the internet issue than are actually affected by it. If the melodramatic mob is to be believed then pretty much no-one has internet access, which is obviously utterly absurd!

I see both sides of the coin as it's what I do on a day to day basis, it's part of my job and something I'm very good at. When you see and meet as many people as I have, you may start to empathize with why I feel the general populace is degenerating into a complaining and entitled society. Throwing a hissy fit about not being able to play a used game is a very different thing to delivering a measured and reasoned argument or response....
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I dont particularly disagree, I think this thread shows the limit of most people understanding on non-tangible topics or the ability to produce a reasoned well argued position. Its unfortunate that the majority rules but that is what we are left with beyond the scope of this discussion. Its a 'necessary evil' that wont change within our lifetimes...

I do think that MS are far more to blame though as what they presented was embarrassing for a multinational and because it was a paradiagm shift it was their onus to present such features and advantages as real 'average joe' benefits rather than allowing the public to ruminate how it could work, that dissemination of their message was their downfall in the end.

Its not like MS wouldnt be aware of what we already understand when it comes to public opinion, simply put people dont like change. Though as an aside I do believe in social conscience, so I am impressed that some might have seen beyond their requirements and how these changes might significantly impact others.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Glaucus said:
Can I see negatives of course. People blew them out of proportion though. People still think you could not sell second hand games. They also weren't aware of the benefits, even when posted the MS quotes and policies they still don't belive it.
It can not be all consumer. This system on offer gave far more to us than the developers did.
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Plenty of people knew exactly how it worked and still thought it was bad.
 
m4rk84 said:
Plenty of people knew exactly how it worked and still thought it was bad.
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Really, I'm not seeing much evidence for that. A few maybe, plenty? I haven't even seen plenty that understand what's been said through the different interviews, let alone still thought it was bad. The majority of people who seem to know what was said, see the downside of them backing out.
 
Glaucus said:
Really, I'm not seeing much evidence for that. A few maybe, plenty? I haven't even seen plenty that understand what's been said through the different interviews, let alone still thought it was bad. The majority of people who seem to know what was said, see the downside of them backing out.
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Make a stand and don't buy one. If enough people share your view that might change things again.
 
Even I can see the downside of them backing out. They were onto something and backed out due to peer pressure rather then finding solutions to the problems.
 
Glaucus said:
Can I see negatives of course. People blew them out of proportion though. People still think you could not sell second hand games. They also weren't aware of the benefits, even when posted the MS quotes and policies they still don't belive it.
It can not be all consumer. This system on offer gave far more to us than the developers did.
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No they didn't

It would mean nothing for troops on duty

Fighting game tournaments wouldn't cope

Lots of countries wouldn't cope (not even launching in majority)

I want my games to work when they decide to turn the servers off, that would've killed collectors if nothing worked or anyone who wants to play old games

I'm sure there's many more, although I do agree there were many positives but that could still be done as easily if you get digital copies
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Make a stand and don't buy one. If enough people share your view that might change things again.
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They won't change again(not in the short term maybe extremely slowly over te next 5 years) and I'm now undecided. It all kind of pins on kinect or a kinect like system to control windows8.
I'm more than happy to use steam for gaming in the lounge. It's the Kinect control I don't wont to give up.
 
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Oh, of course there were positives in what Microsoft were doing, just there were more negatives.

They made a lot of changes (some for the better, some for the worse) and poorly presented them. They ignored their customers when they initially cried out about the changes and features, then they didn't pre order the console and suddenly Microsoft backed out.
 
Troops on deployment is a niche market, a very vocal market though, especially with te emotion thing bring out and they aren't even a lost market, as they will still own consoles at home.
 
Glaucus said:
They won't change again(not in the short term maybe extremely slowly over te next 5 years) and I'm now undecided. It all kind of pins on kinect or a kinect like system to control windows8.
I'm more than happy to use steam for gaming in the lounge. It's the Kinect control I don't wont to give up.
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It's interesting that the Kinect is such a big deal for you, it's one of the main reasons I didn't want the new xbox.
 
Guys, too many posts in here are bordering on trolling. I don't like deleting posts but I will if I have to. Please try to keep it on topic and civil.
 
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