**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

TBH res bump / AA and high res textures will make games look much more akin to their PC counterparts.

It's not like current gen games like Gears 3, The Last of Us, etc look horrible! And they are running on years old hardware.
 
I've preordered an XBOX ONE this week, also pre-ordered a PS4 but will only be getting one console. I've been on my PS3 since March and to be honest I miss the xbox since it broke.

The more I sit and think, I really like the exclusives for XBOX and beings swayed towards it.
 
They won't. From a purely technical point of view, the PS4 is a much more powerful console. However, I think in the real world, the differences won't be quite as big as the specs suggest, certainly not on multi-platform titles. It'll be the exclusives that we'll really see the differences, and even then probably not for 12 months or so.

Its got the same CPU and if well balanced for all we know the PS4 gpu can't actually have its full power extracted because all games will be cpu limited, though in saying that the Xbox supposedly has 3 cores reserved vs 1 for the PS4(I might be making that assumption based on running one OS and the xbox supposedly reserving one core for each of 3 OS's).

Memory subsystems, again its very VERY hard to predict, having a huge chunk of insanely low latency esram on die opens up a lot of possibilities, they might use it brilliantly or in a retarded way, who knows yet.

As for theoretical power, as we've seen between consoles and PC's, huge hardware differences often don't make as dramatic a difference as we believe. Largely because design of a game is by far the biggest factor in how a game looks and the most powerful effects often have the smallest impact. This kind of thing where every higher level detail takes exponentially more power. There is no question that 1920x1080 60fps 4xaa PC versions of multiplatform games look much sharper and just much nicer than consoles, but side by side the feel of the game is pretty similar.

In general they've gone for quite different hardware that costs a different amount to make. A relatively small memory controller which uses a bit of power and then higher power gddr5 chips off die moves a lot of the power used for the memory subsystem off the main chip, making cooling and power delivery easier. You also drastically reduce the biggest die size which increases yields significantly and increases the number of die per wafer, both things make smaller dies MUCH cheaper.

Without kinect the MS chip will simply cost significantly more to manufacture. When it comes to it, it will be very interesting to see if there is a big difference, as yet we still don't know how the power will be used, people have rumoured that parts of the PS4 gpu are for compute offloading only, which could leave the normal GPU duties happening on a core much closer in power to the X1 gpu.


One of the biggest things for the consoles this gen is not going stupidly low with memory. With 8gb a piece, having memory for running multiple things in the background and being able to develop the platform, the OS and the feature set over time is going to be MUCH easier this generation.

All the talk about MS's future thinking Media features and sharing/digital distribution was mostly nonsense because they are now fully fledged PC's with enough memory that releasing essentially massively updated hugely different features will be possible on both consoles.

What the 360/ps3 could do on day one versus today, with such limited memory meant new more complex features to run alongside the old ones was difficult. With 8gb memory, adding an entirely new media centre part of an OS to replace or run alongside the current OS will be more than possible.
 
Have we had any solid information on how/if the TV stuff will work in the UK? If it doesn't or it only works with Sky I may as well get the PS4.
 
Have we had any solid information on how/if the TV stuff will work in the UK? If it doesn't or it only works with Sky I may as well get the PS4.

I don't know what your expecting from this TV stuff.

All it will do is take the HDMI feed from your cable/sky/free view box to pass thru the Xbox One then back out to your TV. Just so you can swap between Xbox One and TV out feed. There is no facility to interact with your TV providers box from within Xbox One. You may get lucky and eventually get Sky Now or Sky Go apps for streaming.

Most of the Xbox One TV features are US centric for the time being. Europe is a difficult region for this implementation. So many countries with their own laws and TV systems.

Xbox One only has a couple of deals with providers in the US at the moment.
 
If XboxONE is just working as a passthrough, then how does the voice commands work for station hopping?? Surely theres more to it than that.

I was trying to wrap my head around that as well. Unless you pipe the cable right into the Xbox and it does the decoding how will it be able to change channels?

Yet everything I've seen just shows it as a HDMI pass through... :confused:
 
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If XboxONE is just working as a passthrough, then how does the voice commands work for station hopping?? Surely theres more to it than that.
Its more that the Xbox overlay will accept commands and effectively just send them via HDMI to the actual STB, so its that work MS need to sort out with Sky/VM in addition to what actual functionality the overlay will replicate. Will they be happy for a third party box, for example, to purchase media via a PIN code?

If they cant via the HDMI passthrough then Im not aware that the XO even has the ability to replicate an IR blaster?

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Its more that the Xbox overlay will accept commands and effectively just send them via HDMI to the actual STB, so its that work MS need to sort out with Sky/VM in addition to what actual functionality the overlay will replicate. Will they be happy for a third party box, for example, to purchase media via a PIN code?

Even if HDMI CEC is present on any of the Sky/VM boxes (theres many different boxes for both), im guessing that Sky/VM would block it. Both would favour streaming apps for a fee.

From the AV Forums:
Cable and sat boxes lack CEC functionality. If there's no option within the device's settings to turn HDMI control on and off then the device lacks CEC compatibility.
The Cisco 8485DVB on which the Virgin TiVo is based lacks CEC compatibility so it is very unlikely to be implemented on the TiVo.
 
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Even if HDMI CEC is present on any of the Sky/VM boxes (theres many different boxes for both), im guessing that Sky/VM would block it. Both would favour streaming apps for a fee.
Agreed, I just dont see where MS will get traction to persuade those companies to fit under the same overlay which wont cover all their functions (unique or not) nor allow themselves to differ from each other.

Probably make more sense to make a XO that is actually a Sky/VM STB and engage them that way. And how likely is that :p

Hard to see this not being pointless unless they can replicate all the well used features and quirks, who is going to accept a compromise when by pressing source they can use their STB remote more than adequately as they do today?

EDIT: Yep it has IR out so most likely just replicate IR commands

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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I don't know what your expecting from this TV stuff.

All it will do is take the HDMI feed from your cable/sky/free view box to pass thru the Xbox One then back out to your TV. Just so you can swap between Xbox One and TV out feed. There is no facility to interact with your TV providers box from within Xbox One. You may get lucky and eventually get Sky Now or Sky Go apps for streaming.

Most of the Xbox One TV features are US centric for the time being. Europe is a difficult region for this implementation. So many countries with their own laws and TV systems.

Xbox One only has a couple of deals with providers in the US at the moment.

Voice commands and its own TV guide are the big ones for me. There is no law issues here just effort. They would have to hammer out deals with Sky/VM and Freeview box manufacturers to get all the CEC commands working right.
 
Sky boxes at least can be controlled by the network connection, my ipad and iphone can both switch channel using a few diffrent apps from sky and Zeebox.

Zeebox switches to what you select and the skyplus app lets you control the recording and downlad functions as well as switch channel.

Doesn't seem to hard to me.

though i did just look it up and zeebox is part owned by sky now.
 
Sky boxes at least can be controlled by the network connection, my ipad and iphone can both switch channel using a few diffrent apps from sky and Zeebox.

Zeebox switches to what you select and the skyplus app lets you control the recording and downlad functions as well as switch channel.

Doesn't seem to hard to me.

though i did just look it up and zeebox is part owned by sky now.
Not really an issue that its technically difficult just needs a load of engagement, just look at how poor the US support is so far (2 cable networks have signed up IIRC?)

From personal experience I doubt VM will be that interested in collaborating, especially with the TiVo platform now in full swing and with Sky ahead of the curve when it comes to UI I doubt theyll look forward to a generic overlay. Wonder how much money MS will have to throw at them...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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I'm guessing the TV stuff probably won't work with Freeview in the UK? Or will it?

I'm sure I read something where a guy at MS said that all types of TV reception is being considered, including over the air?

I still don't know whether to pick up an Xbox One in Canada or not. I want it on release, but I may end up back in the UK early next year if I can't renew my visa so it would be a bit pointless.
 
I'm guessing the TV stuff probably won't work with Freeview in the UK? Or will it?

I'm sure I read something where a guy at MS said that all types of TV reception is being considered, including over the air?

I still don't know whether to pick up an Xbox One in Canada or not. I want it on release, but I may end up back in the UK early next year if I can't renew my visa so it would be a bit pointless.

I tweeted xbox support asking this today. And they sent me a link that told me XBox Live is available in UK. :rolleyes:
 
I'm guessing the TV stuff probably won't work with Freeview in the UK? Or will it?

I'm sure I read something where a guy at MS said that all types of TV reception is being considered, including over the air?

Possibly, but it'd depend on compatibility with external Freeview PVRs.
 
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