**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

Raymond Lin said:
There is the option not to press those buttons on screen. Here is a newsflash.

It takes ZERO effort not to press those buttons. Zero. Nada. Nothing. Zilch.

On the other hand it takes effort and money to make 2 different consoles, and that cost will be passed onto, guess who, you and me.
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Don't mind it being there but no doubt significant cost went into it. Besides isn't some hardware resource dedicated to non game stuff?

A cut down (ie pure console) would have to be cheaper if produced along side.

I wonder how many people would go for the pure version if it was 100 cheaper? I would
 
Moothead2 said:
Just not true. There is a wide variety of gamers who play CoD.
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Indeed, but it is certainly not a hardcore game. It's widely regarded as one of the most casual FPS, which is why it sells in such high numbers and people buy it every year despite the fact its essentially the same rehashed game over and over.:o
 
al4x said:
I wonder how many people would go for the pure version if it was 100 cheaper? I would
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If they had to develop multiple SKUs (one with less features and one complete) then the price of both would probably rise due to double the R&D, testing, certification, software etc.

Not to mention the added complexity for developers having to figure out if XYZ feature is available on a console, if so use it if not, do something entirely different. It's why PCs are harder to develop for, and why consoles can get better results from lesser hardware.
 
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Spunkey said:
IF they had to develop multiple SKUs (one with less features and one complete) then the price of both would probably rise due to double the R&D, testing, certification, software etc.

Cutting off features != cheaper.
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The current gen would seem to disagree though.

Not that I'm in favour of different SKUs, not at launch at least.
 
movingtables said:
well the Xbox360 was marketed as a games machine with media capabilities.
The XboxOne® "so far" looks to be marketed as a media device with game
capabilities. this is very important.
I have an xbox360 ( actualy had 8 coz they all blew up ).

people need to stop accusing people of trolling who arnt.
trolling doesnt mean posting a different view to you ;)
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I called it a troll post because it didn't have anything in it or any opinion other than a cliché "fool some of the people" statement and a "can we move this to the AV section". Neither were designed to be a discussion other than to try to elicit a response, so, it was a troll.

It's already been mentioned multiple times that the gaming side will be demoed properly at E3, how good that is remains to be seen of course. If it's good people will buy it, if it's pants they wont *shrug*.

Could the reveal have been better, well certainly yes for hardcore gamers, although Xbox has had some stick in the past for just being for 15-30 years old blokes who what to pwn stuff. They clearly this time wanted to cover off the other capabilities and general platform at this session (which may not have been appropriate for E3) without stealing the thunder of the devs and publishers for the gaming side of things at E3.

A difficult juggling act I guess and for some gamers it hasn't worked but I'm inclined to wait and see until we have the full picture rather than guess.
 
Well i wonder what MS have to say this morning now that it seems the whole internet has just U-turned on them, i suppose the negativity it seems to be generating will do it wonders in the long run but i suppose we'll have to wait and see.
 
al4x said:
Don't mind it being there but no doubt significant cost went into it. Besides isn't some hardware resource dedicated to non game stuff?

A cut down (ie pure console) would have to be cheaper if produced along side.

I wonder how many people would go for the pure version if it was 100 cheaper? I would
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It might be cheaper for you, but it would cost Microsoft more to do this, so they would recoup the costs from you elsewhere. It makes far better business sense to create one spec and move on from there. Splitting your user base from the very beginning is a bad move.
 
al4x said:
Don't mind it being there but no doubt significant cost went into it. Besides isn't some hardware resource dedicated to non game stuff?

A cut down (ie pure console) would have to be cheaper if produced along side.

I wonder how many people would go for the pure version if it was 100 cheaper? I would
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How do you figure that?

The internals of the Xbox One, are virtually identical to the PS4.

They both have bluray drives, hard drives, cpu/gpu/ram. In fact, the Xbox One internals will be cheaper to manufacture as the ddr3 ram is cheaper and the weaker gpu will also be cheaper.

The difference in price (if any) will be down to the Xbox One shipping with an additional piece of hardware in the form of the Kinect. If the PS4 shipped with similar functionality, it would no doubt be a similar price.

So, you're not "paying extra" for the features that are baked into the OS and software of the Xbox One. You're essentially paying for the additional functionality that Kinect brings.
 
greeny_fastcar said:
The xbox one has a 500GB hard drive internally and it's going to be using blu ray discs those are facts.

A quick google says that the capacity of a blu ray disc is 25 GB (single-layer) and 50 GB (dual-layer). Does the hard drive capacity seem a little low to anyone else?

I know the games wont be using all the disc capacity to begin with but with such high definition textures/audio/video surely it will start to get close? Actually saying that Mass Effect 3 on the PS3 is like 14GB I think.
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Good point, although they have said you can expand storage via USB and a standard external hard drive if required. I guess it's a balance between cost and functionality thing.
 
http://n4g.com/news/1262521/xbox-one-wont-include-chat-headset

This worries me a bit if true. One of the main reasons I prefer gaming on Xbox Live over PSN is the due to the way that you know mostly everyone is using the same headset and they all achieve the right level of background noise cancellation. You rarely hear heavy breathing etc unlike with PSN.

If everyone uses the Kinect it'll be just like PSN and people will be constantly transmitting etc. Would be a major backwards step.
 
How many games do you need installed at any one time though? Even if you go back to an old one in your collection, it'll just install as it runs. I'd assume (read: hope) that MS will provide a full download feature for any game tied to your account too, ala Steam.
 
What a horrendous piece of garbage that thing is.

Tv... Tv... Tv... Tv... Tv.... Sports...Sports...Sports... Tv.... Tv...

No headset bundled, have to use that kinect thing? Not happening in my house. I'm not risking any chance my little boy will hear that filth being shouted out from Xbox Live and in the evening I certainly don't want that rabble beaming out of my speakers.

Apparent the system is lower powered than the PS4 techwise, but that will be reflected in the price.

3GB OS overhead? Really MS?

If you are purely about the games, the rest of that garbage becomes irrelevant. I do not care for Kinect in the slightest.

Use to love my 360, spent the most time on it.

PS4 pre-order seems wise now.
 
McManicMan said:
Well i wonder what MS have to say this morning now that it seems the whole internet has just U-turned on them, i suppose the negativity it seems to be generating will do it wonders in the long run but i suppose we'll have to wait and see.
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lol...really...the whole internet, apart from the usual call of some unanswered questions about certain aspects, most seem pretty positive, they just want the details fleshed out.
 
kissenger said:
The fact remains: XO is still primarily a 'multimedia experience' (whatever that is), has a paucity of actual games, looks ugly, and is not user friendly as far as (more or less) always online and disallowing used games.
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The fact still remains it has pretty much as many games announced as PS4 including 15 XBOX exclusives in year one, 8 of which are completely new IP, has been plainly stated the gaming launch is at E3, it doesn't have to be always online and doesn't disallow used games. Seriously, there's up and down sides but repeating the same things which aren't even remotely right makes you look, well, lets say somewhat partisan. You may need to take a deep breath and realise it just a console, not a threat to your livelihood that need to be FUDed :)
 
pioneer2000 said:
How do you figure that?

The internals of the Xbox One, are virtually identical to the PS4.

They both have bluray drives, hard drives, cpu/gpu/ram. In fact, the Xbox One internals will be cheaper to manufacture as the ddr3 ram is cheaper and the weaker gpu will also be cheaper.

The difference in price (if any) will be down to the Xbox One shipping with an additional piece of hardware in the form of the Kinect. If the PS4 shipped with similar functionality, it would no doubt be a similar price.

So, you're not "paying extra" for the features that are baked into the OS and software of the Xbox One. You're essentially paying for the additional functionality that Kinect brings.
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They are not identical. PS4 hardware is more powerful. Please read up:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4

or if you can't be bothered, here's a quote for you.


Sony gave the PS4 50% more raw shader performance, plain and simple (768 SPs @ 800MHz vs. 1152 SPs & 800MHz). We’ll have to wait and see how this hardware delta gets exposed in games over time, but the gap is definitely there. The funny thing about game consoles is that it’s usually the lowest common denominator that determines the bulk of the experience across all platforms.

On the plus side, the Xbox One should enjoy better power/thermal characteristics compared to the PlayStation 4. Even compared to the Xbox 360 we should see improvement in many use cases thanks to modern power management techniques.

Differences in the memory subsytems also gives us some insight into each approach to the next-gen consoles. Microsoft opted for embedded SRAM + DDR3, while Sony went for a very fast GDDR5 memory interface. Sony’s approach (especially when combined with a beefier GPU) is exactly what you’d build if you wanted to give game developers the fastest hardware. Microsoft’s approach on the other hand looks a little more broad. The Xbox One still gives game developers a significant performance boost over the previous generation, but also attempts to widen the audience for the console. It’s a risky strategy for sure, especially given the similarities in the underlying architectures between the Xbox One and PS4.
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pioneer2000 said:
How do you figure that?

The internals of the Xbox One, are virtually identical to the PS4.

They both have bluray drives, hard drives, cpu/gpu/ram. In fact, the Xbox One internals will be cheaper to manufacture as the ddr3 ram is cheaper and the weaker gpu will also be cheaper.

The difference in price (if any) will be down to the Xbox One shipping with an additional piece of hardware in the form of the Kinect. If the PS4 shipped with similar functionality, it would no doubt be a similar price.

So, you're not "paying extra" for the features that are baked into the OS and software of the Xbox One. You're essentially paying for the additional functionality that Kinect brings.
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Cheaper internals because they are not as powerful. Where it ends really.
 
Arthur Hucksake said:
What a horrendous piece of garbage that thing is.

Tv... Tv... Tv... Tv... Tv.... Sports...Sports...Sports... Tv.... Tv...

No headset bundled, have to use that kinect thing? Not happening in my house. I'm not risking any chance my little boy will hear that filth being shouted out from Xbox Live and in the evening I certainly don't want that rabble beaming out of my speakers.

Apparent the system is lower powered than the PS4 techwise, but that will be reflected in the price.

3GB OS overhead? Really MS?

If you are purely about the games, the rest of that garbage becomes irrelevant. I do not care for Kinect in the slightest.

Use to love my 360, spent the most time on it.

PS4 pre-order seems wise now.
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Most the the conference was demoing Games.

Has this place gone full retard overnight or something?
 
Ok in that case I was wrong about two console versions generating a end cost saving

In this regard I think it makes sense for ms to go down this route but not for me personally. This means the PS4 is more my choice being that it has more raw power for games.

Unfortunately I have never got on with ps as said for many reasons

I would buy this if it could replace my htpc but it can't
It is inferior in both capabilities. But I understand I'm a niche market

Only thing I will miss not having it is coop play local

One thing that would make me reconsider is lots of good coop local games being released
 
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