**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

This is a Xbox thread? yes

Did I make the screen capture? no

Was the PS4 image included in the premade screen grab? no

Why would any sane person mention a PS4 version given the above? Mind blown...

Because any 'sane' person would look at the accompanying videos with the screen capture and see that both looked the same and would therefore reference both when posting about it. But hey ho I'm bored of sniping....

56% actually :D (sorry my insecurities got the best of me again)

You should really get those checked out...
Ok that was the last one :D
 
Even if people aren't seeing a great deal of difference visually, you can't say there isn't a fairly large frame rate difference, which will affect how the game plays.
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I suggest you open your eyes! These screen capstures aren't even of the exact same moment! One is mid explosion, the other is pre or post explosion. It's not valid.

Where's the PS4 shot during the explosion?
 
And yet you're still avoiding the question ;)

It's not something I should have to answer as I never claimed otherwise. Am I being stubborn, yes since you claimed I did but I didn't.


That's me to a tee actually, I do that quite often, especially during longer game sessions.

So do I, but I don't see pressing source and initiating snap mode as being all that different!

Well for one, that screenshot above shows both versions drop into the 30s at times. I know the PS4 performs better overall, but the Xbox One version isn't the only one that drops into the 30s.

It shows one running significantly lower over a period of time which I think would be fair to say how the games runs on both all the way through. Unless that particular scene was more demanding than the rest of the game, though I doubt it.

Also, just because one game has gamerate dips it doesn't mean they all will does it? Of course, if one version runs considerably more stable than the other, that is something to consider, but if it's only in a couple of spots here and there, it's not a big problem.

I think the power disparity will always mean compromises will be made on Xbox versions, whether that be resolution or varying frame rates. No amount of optimisation will close that gap.

Well, you're the one mentioning that you'd want the version of the game that runs better. Assuming the game is on the PC, then that's the version you'd want. Saying you'd rather get the console version because you don't like KB&M just proves my point that some people will prefer the Xbox version of games because they prefer the controller.

That's what I will personally do, but most console gamers don't have PC's and have the spare cash to splash out on dual 7970s. Why upgrade my PC when I can buy the superior version of the game on my consoles for no extra cost?

There's a big difference between K&M and a pad, and that wasn't because of differences between the two, more so in the styles both are used in. For example sat up straight on a chair in front of a monitor or couched out on a sofa. And I didn't say otherwise some would prefer one version because of the controller, I said it would be a less decisive issue this time round since the DS4 apparently is much improved.
 
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I suggest you open your eyes! These screen capstures aren't even of the exact same moment! One is mid explosion, the other is pre or post explosion. It's not valid.

Where's the PS4 shot during the explosion?

Ask Digital Foundry? Anyway it doesn't matter if the screen shots are showing the exact same moment the blue and green lines at the bottom show that the PS4 has a higher and more consistent frame rate.
 
Unless the frame rate difference is noticeable however it pretty much means nothing.

Interesting to see however the areas which the XO frame rate apparently drops the PS4 actually increases rather than drop at all - wonder what is going on there.
 
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Ask Digital Foundry? Anyway it doesn't matter if the screen shots are showing the exact same moment the blue and green lines at the bottom show that the PS4 has a higher and more consistent frame rate.

I'm not an aficionado on these things but in the middle what would cause the ps4 frame rate to rise while the xbox one frame rate drops significantly. Wouldn't the ps4 frame rate just drop less?
 
Why would I buy the PC version when deciding to pick up a game on either next gen consoles? Why if its a console exclusive like GTA5? Because A is better than B but C is better than both doesn't equal automatically buy on C. Some people don't like gaming on PC's or using K&M or using a monitor or having instability issues involved with PC gaming etc.

You are the one who keeps banging on about graphics and raw power between the consoles. You use BF4 which not only is multi plat but also avaliable on the PC to compare the two next gen consoles. Then you come up with some carp about why "some people" don't like PC's.

If you don't like using K+M then buy a gamepad, you said earlier you prefered the 360 control pad. Well guess what you can plug that into your PC and use it too :eek: amazing stuff. Don't like using a monitor ? What is amazing about PC's is you can pretty much connect them to anything even a TV :eek: amazing stuff. Instability ?!? I would assume if you have the knowledge to build a PC or heck even have the knowledge to be able to pick decent parts from say OCUK (;) ) you have the knowledge to be able maintain the PC. I honestly cannot remember the last time I had a PC game crash on me that was not my own fault (ie forcing a load of AA and basically just thrashing the graphics card or CPU for all its worth). When it comes to RAW power the PC will always win.

I realise this is the console sub forum but seriously "debating" (arguing/defending/whatever) about a multi plat game that is also on the PC about graphics is well stupid imo.

Consoles are mainly for the "joe blogs" of the world who want to plug in a console to their TV put a disc in and play games. How will most "joe blogs" pick which console they will buy, most likely whatever their friends are buying and the one that has the most games they want to play.
 
You are the one who keeps banging on about graphics and raw power between the consoles. You use BF4 which not only is multi plat but also avaliable on the PC to compare the two next gen consoles. Then you come up with some carp about why "some people" don't like PC's.

If you don't like using K+M then buy a gamepad, you said earlier you prefered the 360 control pad. Well guess what you can plug that into your PC and use it too :eek: amazing stuff. Don't like using a monitor ? What is amazing about PC's is you can pretty much connect them to anything even a TV :eek: amazing stuff. Instability ?!? I would assume if you have the knowledge to build a PC or heck even have the knowledge to be able to pick decent parts from say OCUK (;) ) you have the knowledge to be able maintain the PC. I honestly cannot remember the last time I had a PC game crash on me that was not my own fault (ie forcing a load of AA and basically just thrashing the graphics card or CPU for all its worth). When it comes to RAW power the PC will always win.

I realise this is the console sub forum but seriously "debating" (arguing/defending/whatever) about a multi plat game that is also on the PC about graphics is well stupid imo.

Consoles are mainly for the "joe blogs" of the world who want to plug in a console to their TV put a disc in and play games. How will most "joe blogs" pick which console they will buy, most likely whatever their friends are buying and the one that has the most games they want to play.

Perhaps you miss read my post, I would but I would also be in the minority.

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Was not speaking about myself above, more so the regular console folk.

That's what I will personally do, but most console gamers don't have PC's and have the spare cash to splash out on dual 7970s. Why upgrade my PC when I can buy the superior version of the game on my consoles for no extra cost?
 
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It's not something I should have to answer as I never claimed otherwise. Am I being stubborn, yes since you claimed I did but I didn't.

It doesn't matter if you never claimed otherwise. I asked you a direct question which is really easy to answer yet you are purposefully avoiding. I'll ask it again - after watching the IGN comparison video, do you think the PS4 version looks significantly better than the Xbox One version?

So do I, but I don't see pressing source and initiating snap mode as being all that different!

It's not really, except that with Snap I can quickly flick to MOTD or something while messing around with my loadouts in BF4, or combing through the transfer market in Fifa. I couldn't do that if I simply changed sources and went to the TV.

It shows one running significantly lower over a period of time which I think would be fair to say how the games runs on both all the way through. Unless that particular scene was more demanding than the rest of the game, though I doubt it.

I would imagine they would have purposefully picked demanding scenes to make sure any FPS drops were picked up, so I don't think it's a valid indication of how the rest of the game would run.

I think the power disparity will always mean compromises will be made on Xbox versions, whether that be resolution or varying frame rates. No amount of optimisation will close that gap.

Probably, but if the Xbox One does have more hidden power (and the rumours surrounding ESRam suggest there is), then it might mean that in the future the differences between versions are not all that big. I'm of course just speculating though, as everyone is.

There's a big difference between K&M and a pad, and that wasn't because of differences between the two, more so in the styles both are used in. For example sat up straight on a chair in front of a monitor or couched out on a sofa. And I didn't say otherwise some would prefer one version because of the controller, I said it would be a less decisive issue this time round since the DS4 apparently is much improved.

Yes, the DS4 is meant to be much improved, but that still doesn't mean gamers won't prefer one over the other. I've never had a problem swapping so it's no real issue for me, but it is for other people. It's certainly not something to be discounted as a point to consider when deciding which version of a game someone might buy.
 
I'm not an aficionado on these things but in the middle what would cause the ps4 frame rate to rise while the xbox one frame rate drops significantly. Wouldn't the ps4 frame rate just drop less?

Could be whatever is happening in that scene plays to the PS4's strengths, it has more ROPS and bandwith and more shader units, the PS4 looks to handle that scene better.
 
Frankly as far as I'm concerned I'm just pleased to see that console gamers will be able to choose either next gen console as their platform without having to worry about "backing the wrong horse" and making a bad decision.

The only people whining are the PS4 fans who have continually set their store on having to feel their choice is better buy trying to put XO down as being pants. They are now desperately scrabbling to find a single screen shot from somewhere that they can use to pick holes in "black doesn't look quite as black as black" and anyone who says otherwise made a mistake with something. In the mean time most people on both sides of the choices are just pleased to see what looks like a stunningly good new FPS on next gen platforms giving them the freedom to choose the console they prefer based on titles and platform rather than counting pixels with a magnifying glass.

The same can be said for XB fanboys who rave on about XBL being superior though. It's the same sort of daft ******** :p
 
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