**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

ps3ud0 said:
I hate when I have to catch up with threads as Im liable to get confused, what do you mean by wireless adaptor?

Agreed Sony forced BD, but at least its benefits were tangible, I guess thats the advantage of something visual, you can see the change right in front of your eyes. And lets be honest BD wasnt there to make the PS3 better, just to allow them to win the format wars, so you cant even say its gamer-centric...

LOL that sounds dodgy, though I swear you mentioned it many years ago in the Steam threads. (EDIT: Yes I think I remember, slightly dodgy but very helpful :))

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I work for a French company that has the dodgiest networking ever, thinks I'm in France basically :p

Wireless as in supports wireless internet. Sure blu ray had benefits, so does Kinect, you just don't want them :p

Kinect got my whole family to play on a console, something nothing else ever has.
 
pioneer2000 said:
In fairness, the DRM implementation was innovative and would have brought great benefits to people being able to play games without discs and share between friends/family.

I can't be stuffed discussing it anymore than that as it's just pathetic that shortsighted people have ruined it for others.
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You must have been the only person on the planet who actually knew how the share thing would have worked then!

MS clearly didn't.
 
pioneer2000 said:
In fairness, the DRM implementation was innovative and would have brought great benefits to people being able to play games without discs and share between friends/family.

I can't be stuffed discussing it anymore than that as it's just pathetic that shortsighted people have ruined it for others.
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Yeah your right it would have been so much better to have a console that failed because it sold poorly, face it the only reason MS have done a U-turn is because they could see what a failure it was going to be if they didn't do something not for any other reason, They do not have your best interest at heart nor does Sony for that matter why the blind loyalty?
 
pioneer2000 said:
In fairness, the DRM implementation was innovative and would have brought great benefits to people being able to play games without discs and share between friends/family.

I can't be stuffed discussing it anymore than that as it's just pathetic that shortsighted people have ruined it for others.
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It is quite sad, but you get used to it.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
The original Xbox forced a hard drive on us, compared to the PS2 and its memory cards. MS took a risk there, that went down well enough. .
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They didn't, you could buy an arcade and many of us had memory cards on the 360. Not only that you didn't and never have had to install games to the hard drive. You had an option, want to use a 20gb Hdd and use it for other things or buy an arcade.

As I said MS have had plenty of time to ease in digital progress but failed. I don't think the hard drive is a very good comparison :)
 
StriderX said:
I predict the next 10 pages to be pointlessly arguing with Pioneer and kin about a feature that is for the better part...gone.

Utterly gone.

Vamoosh.

Wee...

Seriously to backtrack twice is to end up smelling your own ass, if you're fast enough ;).
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Not gone. Not at all. Sidelined. I thought the announcement was pretty clear about that?

Odds on, we'll see it rear its head again via Games on Demand, or (if technically/legally possible) they will try adding an opt in/out clause and revive the entire system. The point of last night's statement was to allay fears, get the message across that gamers would not be forced in to this. Now they have to work out how they can implement the system in such a way that people want to use it, volunteer to use it.

That might take a while. There's every chance it won't be ready for launch. But gone? No. Not at all.
 
dannyjo22 said:
They didn't, you could buy an arcade and many of us had memory cards on the 360. Not only that you didn't and never have had to install games to the hard drive. You had an option, want to use a 20gb Hdd and use it for other things or buy an arcade.

As I said MS have had plenty of time to ease in digital progress but failed. I don't think the hard drive is a very good comparison :)
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He was referring to the original xbox
 
dannyjo22 said:
They didn't, you could buy an arcade and many of us had memory cards on the 360. Not only that you didn't and never have had to install games to the hard drive. You had an option, want to use a 20gb Hdd and use it for other things or buy an arcade.
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The first Xboxes all came with hard drives didn't they?
 
Terrible terrible PR from MS in a complete cluster bomb. Never clear on a single thing from day one, complete arrogance and a middle finger to those who did not like what they heard.

Giantbombcast said something today that rings so true, Sony are in a battle to win people over and are fighting against MS, MS don't even see it as a battle and aren't competing at all and have basically said screw you all until this point. Some of the ideas are/were great like using the 'cloud' to allow AI be taken away from the console but this stuff has not been relayed well at all. A 24hr check in was a terrible idea and not needed. Sony played it smart, they have a lot of the new releases on PSN close if not on the day of release and they know this is the way the things are going so why force other methods of DRM. Allow people to do what they do now and slowly people are moving over to all digital in which this won't even matter one bit.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Yeah me too, PC games are cheaper from day one and if Xbox followed the same pricing I'd be happy. The only trouble is you only have to look at what they tried to charge for old games digitally distributed through xbox live to know they will want to charge you full rrp as they see the benefit to you is not having to wait for post or go to a store.



Totally agree. The sums sony will have spent this weekend doing is how much will they make selling 20-1 consoles and games over MS to how much they would make locking the system down like MS.

I'd like to think they would make more winning the console war by a mile, but I still think they will follow suit with MS set up as the bad guys now.

All they are waiting for now is MS to announce free to play games and in app purchases ;)
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pioneer2000 said:
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/06/the-xbox-one-just-got-way-worse-and-its-our-fault/

So true. Anyone that complained about DRM should be ashamed of themselves.
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The article is base on his own interpretation, who knows whether games would have been cheaper or whether drm would have worked that way.
 
If this pastebin is legit (grain of salt etc), then the share with friends/family feature was going to be pretty restrictive anyway:

http://pastebin.com/TE1MWES2

When your family member accesses any of your games, they're placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour. This allowed the person to play the game, get familiar with it then make a purchase if they wanted to. When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game. We were toying around with a limit on the number of times members could access the shared game (as to discourage gamers from simply beating the game by doing multiple playthroughs). but we had not settled on an appropriate way of handling it.
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NuclearWinter said:
If this pastebin is legit (grain of salt etc), then the share with friends/family feature was going to be pretty restrictive anyway:

http://pastebin.com/TE1MWES2
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Yeah, I don't believe the airy fairy, hippy love sharing games would happen. DRM pure and simple. This is Microsoft after all. I still expect them to try it further down the road when they have a foothold. They should have always offered a compromise, no DRM with disk, DRM with sharable download. This was done purely for their own profit making intentions, otherwise, why weren't the benefits explained more clearly? They didn't cater for their market. They stuck their fingers up to gamers with the "not online, get a 360" comment. They could have easily run a dual system which catered for both audiences. But decided not to. They had already heard the feedback when the "rumours" emerged months ago, only to be confirmed. They were on a downward slope and didn't listen to their most important sector, the consumer.
 
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bluesouljah said:
Yeah, I don't believe the airy fairy, hippy love sharing games would happen. DRM pure and simple. This is Microsoft after all. I still expect them to try it further down the road when they have a foothold. They should have always offered a compromise, no DRM with disk, DRM with sharable download.
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Yeah totally agree, the shared game idea was brill, I do hope they will look at this again in future
 
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