Xbox Scorpio

robfosters · 14 Jun 2016 at 23:32

Is this a one off or do you think it will it's here to stay? Consoles having basic and premium versions?

I like the premium versions myself. Will be nice to have something approaching a high end gaming PC without the hassle and extra cost of configuration and upgrading.

ic1male · 15 Jun 2016 at 00:16

The future. The Scorpio will become the low end model at some point when its successor is available.

antijoke · 15 Jun 2016 at 10:39

Well then.....

Still running a 1080p TV? Then you should forget about buying Xbox Scorpio.
That’s the message from Xbox boss Phil Spencer. He was asked by Eurogamer about the thinking behind announcing the new Xbox One S only to an hour later reveal a brand new machine, Xbox Scorpio.
“You should buy [the Xbox One S], because Scorpio is not going to do anything for you,” Spencer said after asking the reviewer what TV he had – in this instance a 1080p set. “Scorpio is designed as a 4K console, and if you don't have a 4K TV, the benefit we've designed for, you're not going to see.
“Clearly, you can buy Scorpio, and if and when you decide you want to buy a 4K television to take advantage of the increased performance, obviously the console will be ready for you. For us in the industry, it's easy to think that most power is always the thing that wins. If you look at last gen, what won? The Wii won. The Wii sold more than we did on Xbox 360 and the PS3, and it wasn't the most powerful console out there. Price is critically important. Wii was a good price and it had a great experience.
“Scorpio is for the person who's got a 4K television, who's really focused on 4K gaming. It's going to be a premium price over what we're selling this one for, and both of them will exist in the market at the same time. Scorpio is for your 4K gamer. And that's what we designed it for.”
It was speculated yesterday that while it seems Xbox Scorpio will have a quite significant power advantage over PS4 Neo, that advantage will come at a cost – that literally being the cost, which could be some $100 more than Sony’s new machine.

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beachBOYken · 15 Jun 2016 at 10:47

Makes sense. Thats why Im going for the xbox one S. Its nice that the Scorpio and Neo are offered for people who want to take full advantage of 4k while still keeping the current consoles fully supported along side these newer versions.

FutileBreadMachine · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:03

This just seems bizarre to me. They are fragmenting the Xbox user base into 2 consoles and thus taking away the main strength of consoles - a standardized platform that can be optimized to a high degree. Now devs will be dealing with the some of the same pain as PC devs - having to get the game running well on 2 pieces of hardware.

Fr0dders · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:06

FutileBreadMachine said:
This just seems bizarre to me. They are fragmenting the Xbox user base into 2 consoles and thus taking away the main strength of consoles - a standardized platform that can be optimized to a high degree. Now devs will be dealing with the some of the same pain as PC devs - having to get the game running well on 2 pieces of hardware.

its not really that bizarre.

Run a 1080p setup ? buy an Xbox One S. Run a 4k TV ? buy the Xbox scorpio. You can buy the game once and play it on either. Most devs will likely opt to keep things very similar and just work out what framerate / resolution works best for both consoles.

FutileBreadMachine · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:09

Fr0dders said:
its not really that bizarre.

Run a 1080p setup ? buy an Xbox One S. Run a 4k TV ? buy the Xbox scorpio. You can buy the game once and play it on either. Most devs will likely opt to keep things very similar and just work out what framerate / resolution works best for both consoles.

I don't believe it's that simple, and there are a multitude of factors that influence frame rate that they will now have to balance for 2 consoles instead of one. They won't just simply tick a box saying "use high res textures" and everything will work like a charm.

Dredd · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:13

That's why xbox changes resolution on the fly already, don't need to add anything.

Halo 5 will drop from 1080 to whatever it need needs to maintain 60fps on the fly

More powerful console will hold 4k for longer and less drops

Begbie · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:14

I just can't understand how this is going to run 4K games, at a reasonable price.

My PC with a 390X can't run 4K. A 980Ti can't really run 4K at a decent frame rate.

Robert · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:17

FutileBreadMachine said:
I don't believe it's that simple, and there are a multitude of factors that influence frame rate that they will now have to balance for 2 consoles instead of one. They won't just simply tick a box saying "use high res textures" and everything will work like a charm.

I think it kind of is that simple...hence UWP.

FutileBreadMachine · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:20

Dredd said:
That's why xbox changes resolution on the fly already, don't need to add anything.

Halo 5 will drop from 1080 to whatever it need needs to maintain 60fps on the fly

More powerful console will hold 4k for longer and less drops

I guess that ties in what they are promoting right now - identical games, just at higher res, therefore enemy counts, image filtering, AA etc aren't tinkered with. Personally I would have much preferred a bigger gap until the next gen with a leap not just in resolution but in physics, enemy count and gameplay. A bigger gap would also mean more people have 4K TVs.

antijoke · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:25

Begbie said:
I just can't understand how this is going to run 4K games, at a reasonable price.

My PC with a 390X can't run 4K. A 980Ti can't really run 4K at a decent frame rate.

Well it wont be a reasonable price, it will be a premium price.

Kobi · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:27

Dunno if this is a silly question or not, but is it just for 4k? I'd rather have high end pc like graphics 60fps at 1080p rather than the same graphics at 4k.

Begbie · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:30

anticonscience said:
Well it wont be a reasonable price, it will be a premium price.

How premium?

I mean a 4K PC is what £1500+ ?

And normally in a case a LOT larger than anything anyone would want to put in their living room. How will heat be dealt with, that kind of GPU power is going to generate some heat.

And if it's going to be semi reasonable, like £800 and can do 4K@30, surely that is going to have to drive down PC components for PC gamers?

Glaucus · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:35

FutileBreadMachine said:
This just seems bizarre to me. They are fragmenting the Xbox user base into 2 consoles and thus taking away the main strength of consoles - a standardized platform that can be optimized to a high degree. Now devs will be dealing with the some of the same pain as PC devs - having to get the game running well on 2 pieces of hardware.

Not bizzare at all. The devs have to program for w10 so that's already gone. It has to run on any pc system.all it means is they can optimise for two very specific set ups.

beachBOYken · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:36

Begbie said:
How premium?

I mean a 4K PC is what £1500+ ?

And normally in a case a LOT larger than anything anyone would want to put in their living room. How will heat be dealt with, that kind of GPU power is going to generate some heat.

And if it's going to be semi reasonable, like £800 and can do 4K@30, surely that is going to have to drive down PC components for PC gamers?

Well the heat issues should be ok.

ic1male · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:52

I'd like to choose on Scorpio - as in if you have a 4K TV, then you can choose this option when you start the game and it will give you 4K but may have a lower frame rate and less graphical bells and whistles or it could also ask if you want to play in 1080p and you can pick this option to get 60fps with nicer looking graphics.

It's not difficult because all Xbone games have to run on all three systems - there are no Scorpio exclusive titles.

Or it could be that all the games will look exactly identical in terms of graphics. AFAIK, the Xbone is about 1.3 TFlops and the Scorpio at 6 TFlops will be 4x more powerful. And this equates to 4K (specifically UHD) being 4 1080p screens.

KiNgPiN83 · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:54

anticonscience said:
Well then.....

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So that definitely kills the whole using the power of the Scorpio to make 1080p stuff look nicer, create better effects etc then.

All this talk of 4K and I don't even think I've ever seen a 4K tv next to a full HD TV.

I also like the idea of VR but it gives me horrible motion sickness. Does anyone know whether they'll be able to rectify that? I can't be the only one that suffers this way??

rawuk · 15 Jun 2016 at 11:57

Begbie said:
How premium?

I mean a 4K PC is what £1500+ ?

And normally in a case a LOT larger than anything anyone would want to put in their living room. How will heat be dealt with, that kind of GPU power is going to generate some heat.

And if it's going to be semi reasonable, like £800 and can do 4K@30, surely that is going to have to drive down PC components for PC gamers?

This was exactly my through. An average £1,500 system can't run 4k smoothly even at 30 on some intensive games.

I just don't see it happening on a console unless they don't plan to increase graphics but rather just the resolution which would be a let down.

ic1male · 15 Jun 2016 at 12:00

rawuk said:
I just don't see it happening on a console unless they don't plan to increase graphics but rather just the resolution which would be a let down.

To be honest, I'd take the graphical quality that they can do now with The Last Of Us, Uncharted 4 at least for these first baby steps in to 4K. As I mentioned several pages ago, 4K is the next thing for TV and that really is going to be around for a while. It's not like we're starting 4K and 8K is waiting in the wings as it was with 1080p consoles and 4K. 8K is not going to appear for 10-20 years for consumers so there is a long time to get decent 4K gaming.

This is Microsoft's ploy to nick Sony's crown as the PS4 neo won't be doing 4K gaming unless it's on basic games like most indie stuff.