Xbox Scorpio

Fallen god said:
That sounds silly though, the number off 4K panels out is tiny, people don't upgrade TVs often. So they are just limiting who can even want too buy the console. I guess its console gaming and you can't decided how you want too game.
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A study on the net reckons 35% of US households and 25% of EU households will be 4K by 2019 whereas it was only 1% in 2014. Prices are falling all the time. My dad paid the same price for his 4K TV (cheap Chinese thing) as I did for my Sony 1080p TV and I'd say there wasn't much difference in visual quality when playing video games. (The TV picture was a different matter though.) :p

http://press.ihs.com/press-release/technology/one-third-us-households-will-have-4k-tvs-2019-ihs-says
 
Also I guess although you can get cheap 4K panels, the good ones come with HDR, which to me is just as important as the res itself.
 
They may hit 4k 60fps. I think the graphical fidelity will still lag back though as it usually does on console (not necessarily a bad thing)
 
ic1male said:
A study on the net reckons 35% of US households and 25% of EU households will be 4K by 2019 whereas it was only 1% in 2014. Prices are falling all the time. My dad paid the same price for his 4K TV (cheap Chinese thing) as I did for my Sony 1080p TV and I'd say there wasn't much difference in visual quality when playing video games. (The TV picture was a different matter though.) :p

http://press.ihs.com/press-release/technology/one-third-us-households-will-have-4k-tvs-2019-ihs-says
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Interesting, but I do remember similar studies for 3D too. I think the adoption rate will be slow, there is no hype around 4k so whenever people need new TVs they will likely upgrade. Also even if we take those numbers the new Xbox is out in 2018 so let just say 15-20% thats a tiny share, why limit yourself so much.

Just seems silly too me, it could instead just have graphically settings (makes even less sense with the share PC play) so you can like do medium @4k, or ultra @1080p. Then you don't limit your market, and give yours choice.

Personally I game on a monitor and my next upgrade will be 1440p 144hz panel instead of 4k.
 
They must have some internal strategy which none of us can fathom out. But my head is already exploding. I can't debate this for another 18 months. :p
 
Yeah its a long way from now and things are subject too change. I won't be getting one anyways since I'll just stick with the PS4 and go with the Neo.
 
Seems a lot of money to play the same games at higher res, they would be better just calling end of life on the XBONE. Or is this the way of consoles going now? See no reason why not, if they share the same architecture, it's just a case of games detecting which console and upping the graphic settings.

Still no way is this going to run 4k on games. But then that's purely a selling point. The whole 'pointless' without a 4K TV is just mind boggling to me.
 
Macro said:
People talk about how Sony is the clear winner for gaming over the last few years but forget that one of the most successful gaming platforms of all time, the PC, is Microsoft.
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It's MS, but it's also Linux, Valve, EA, Ubisoft etc etc. The fact that PC games happen to run on Windows doesn't mean MS really has much to do with it. If anything the success of PC gaming in the last 10 years or so has been in spite of MS' efforts, not because of it.
 
TheVoice said:
It's MS, but it's also Linux, Valve, EA, Ubisoft etc etc. The fact that PC games happen to run on Windows doesn't mean MS really has much to do with it. If anything the success of PC gaming in the last 10 years or so has been in spite of MS' efforts, not because of it.
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It's certainly not Linux in any meaningful way, but the others contribute yes in the same way as EA, Valve, Ubisoft contribute to Xbox or PS4 gaming. The point I suppose I was trying to make was the underlying platform is, with the exception of a few games also available on Linux, Microsoft.
 
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There will be one or two games @ 4k/60fps then the crop of AAA games will be 1440p upscaled.

Look at the PS3 most games were 720p with only a handfull at 1080p even less at 60fps but that didn't stop Sony selling a console capable of 1080p/60fps.

The same could be said about the xbox 360 all the Cods are 960p upscaled on that system.

But anyway let the hype train continue.
 
Macro said:
It's certainly not Linux in any meaningful way, but the others contribute yes in the same way as EA, Valve, Ubisoft contribute to Xbox or PS4 gaming.
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They're just game developers on consoles; on PC they own and operate their own platforms for buying games, playing online, streaming gameplay etc.


Macro said:
The point I suppose I was trying to make was the underlying platform is, with the exception of a few games also available on Linux, Microsoft.
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The OS the games runs on is Microsoft, but the bulk of the user experience is provided by various companies such as those above. If I want to play a game on my PC, I launch Steam, or uPlay, or Origin. MS has almost nothing to do with my experience from that point onwards.
 
They should just scrap the xbone and make the new console the next gen as making it backwards compatible with such a comparatively weak console will just hold it back.
 
JLarks said:
I'm wondering what Sony are going to do in return. Is the neo going to have the same specs of the Scorpio?
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No, the specs have been heavily leaked and gossiped about, they're somewhere in the region of 4.2TFLOPS, so approx 30/40% slower.

So a slightly bigger gap in GPU performance than we currently see between PS4 and X1.
 
Microsoft don't exactly seem to know what Scorpio is now.

In an interview with Eurogamer, Phil Spencer responded to a question regarding why anyone would want to purchase an Xbox One S knowing that the Xbox One Scorpio was right around the corner, saying: "Scorpio is not going to do anything for you [if you own a 1080p TV]. Scorpio is designed as a 4K console, and if you don't have a 4K TV, the benefit we've designed for, you're not going to see. Clearly, you can buy Scorpio, and if and when you decide you want to buy a 4K television to take advantage of the increased performance, obviously the console will be ready for you."

However, Spencer's comments here are directly at odds with an answer he gave during an interview with GamesIndustry.biz on the very same day. When asked whether older Xbox One games will upscale to 4K on the Xbox One Scorpio, he replied: "There are games that were written on Xbox One, and we continue to evangelize this tech of dynamic scaling - Halo 5's a good example - when Halo 5 runs it wants to max out at 1080p/60 frames per second or highest resolution/60 frames per second. As scenes get more complex, the vertical resolution will shrink... to keep the 60 frames per second. When that same game's running on Scorpio, because of the compute capability, it's effectively is going to run at its max resolution the whole time. And so you will see advantages like that when your Xbox One games are running on Scorpio."
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Read more at http://www.craveonline.com/entertai...sleading-xbox-one-scorpio#dYGITHJIEjjCc4Dk.99
 
pioneer2000 said:
No, the specs have been heavily leaked and gossiped about, they're somewhere in the region of 4.2TFLOPS, so approx 30/40% slower.

So a slightly bigger gap in GPU performance than we currently see between PS4 and X1.
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Wow that is quite a big performance difference. Sony are going to have to look at at least levelling the playing field, or else I fear people may move over the Xbox.

Still though the Scorpio is a great move for console gamers who are tired of the 30fps or sub 1080p.
 
Maybe it's my tired brain, but I'm struggling to see how those comments are 'at odds' with each other.

Typical online trash journalism?.

Running Xbox One titles at at higher frame rates isn't the 'benefit' that Scorpio was designed for. It's just an added bonus for Scorpio owners - something not really worth the ticket price. IMHO it's important to make this distinction early to ensure that everyone is clear about what Scorpio is. It's a 4K console. It's not intended for running visually enhanced games at 1080p.

The aim is to get future Xbox One titles running on the Scorpio at 4K with minimal other visual enhancements. The two machines will be running the same games, looking and performing very similarly, but at different resolutions. Phil Spencer's comments are designed to make one thing clear; that the Scorpio's extra grunt isn't going to be used to create visually enhanced 1080p games that the Xbox One can't handle. One last time; it's a 4K console, designed and intended for 4K gaming.

That existing games would utilise that extra power to reduce performance drops simply goes without saying; it's behaviour that should be expected if the extra power is there.
 
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