XIM3 round the corner (mouse and keyboard support)

[[SKR]Phoenix]

Sure man. We'll play tomorrow.
Beware of the UK -> US thing tho. It's naaaaasty lag on console. The anti-lag just flat out makes it impossible.

We've already tried UK US with xim's. Hosting nation always wins LoL!
(great UK cod4 player roflstomping a great us cod4 player)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyaQ-C36-jA

Surely you are just going to play badly to try and make out that it doesn't offer an advantage in this experiment. You'll then likely turn round and say it obviously doesn't offer an advantage and really is just a prefered control method. Which we all know is BS.

 

[Nexus]

This topic shows up as on the top of the second page of a Google search for XIM3. I've got to agree, with all these new accounts speaking a lot of technical jargon and defending the product that these are probably some of the folks behind XIM.

 

[Kreeeee]

Just looks like he's come here to post some facts and clear up some misconceptions, good posts if you ask me.

Agreed. It's still clearly cheating though, but it is interesting to see how it works in detail.

 

[sunlitsix]

This topic shows up as on the top of the second page of a Google search for XIM3. I've got to agree, with all these new accounts speaking a lot of technical jargon and defending the product that these are probably some of the folks behind XIM.

They're just members from the XIM forums, they've been discussing the thread over there.

After watching more videos of the XIM3 in action I'm more intrigued by the product, wouldn't mind giving it ago myself tbh! I've been accused acouple of times on Black Ops of using one so I can't be too bad with a pad.

 

[Simi]

Changed my mind - fickle as the bloomin' weather, me!

I won't use a xim because I like to sit back with a controller and I'm not all that competetive (hardly play online even though I have live gold). I do think it will give the user an edge though, even if it is slight, I think a mouse would help me to aim more than a thumbstick but this is just opinion and I could be wrong but will never find out because if I get a hankering for mouse and keyboard then I'll upgrade my graphics card (not saying this in a smug way - it's just my personal feeling)

 

[orderoftheflame]

Toysrme makes some very intelligent and well made points in my opinion. Some ocUK users in this thread are actually embarrassing to read, just throwing insults and threatening to leave the thread because a new user posted intelligently? Come on!

I presume you're referring to me? I didn't say I'd leave the thread because of new people posting new information at all. Whilst some of it is interesting, most of the argument toward the XIM skirts the main subject of this thread, that it isn't fair.

If these new users want to rage on and throw insults, fine by me, the threads gone way past derailment IMO, that's why I have no more interest in it.

 

[Kreeeee]

It's quite interesting to read their thread about OcUK on the XIM3 site... they seem to be throwing stones in glass houses.

 

[antijoke]

Wow, this turned into an interesting thread.

 

[Alpherah]

The one question which all XIM supporters always avoid, which i find hilarious is:
If its not such an advantage, and its perfectly fine to use, why go to so much trouble to make sure MS cannot detect it?
and 2) Why not simply ask MS if it can be a licensed product?

Oh, and this:

Well aren't you lovely. Talk to everyone like that, you know, like a 12 year old?

and yet, here we wre again, dodging the issue. These people simply can't answer (because they are wrong) if using an adapter like this gives an advantage over pad users.

Of course it does, you are just trying to justify (and not doing very well at it) why you use one. The facts are simple, you NEED that advantage to show how your e-peen is larger than everyone elses. I find it sad and pathetic.

Here, have some of these.

^ tbh.

 

[clippa]

Toysrme did post some interesting stuff but then spoilt it all by being the arrogant confrontational tw*t you see all over the internet

We all know that playing with mouse and keyboard on consoles is akin to turning up to a knife fight with a gun. There is a massive difference between the skill it takes to control an analogue stick at the insane sensitivity and the skill it takes to play with mouse and keyboard.
I was a hardcore pc gamer, just bought an xbox a few months ago. I could easily have taken the easy route and bought an adapter but I didn't. I spent a month getting my backside handed to me, learning how to use the controller competently.
I play online games to challenge myself. Every kill would feel so cheap if I knew everyone else was using a control pad. I just couldn't do it.
When you think of people with the xim 2, they've spent all that money, they're running the device through their computer, they're hunched over their keyboard just to gain that advantage. It's depressing
You won't get caught and if you're happy to do it, go ahead. I would say to anyone planning on buying one. I was AWFUL with the controller. As bad as anyone could be, now it's very rare that I'll play a game of cod or bad company 2 where I don't come top of the scoreboard.
The excuse "I just don't get on with the controller, I'm more used to using mouse and keyboard" to me is redundant.

 

[Nexus]

Exactly, I just don't understand this 'I don't get on with a controller nonsense'.

I'm 28 years old, I've grown up playing games since I was a kid. I played the likes of Doom, Descent, Quake, Unreal Tournament, Jedi Knight, Counterstrike, Half-Life etc... all on the PC.

I've been playing FPS on the Xbox and to a lesser extent the Playstation for a number of years now. I honestly fail to see how somebody can't get used to using a pad, I did as well as have countless others. It's got nothing to do with having grown up using mouse and keyboard, so that argument is flawed. You can't really call yourself a real Gamer if you can't adapt and play a game with the tools that are given to you.

I've always really liked the fact that the Xbox has a level playing field where everybody is using a pad. Trying to claim that having a bigger TV or a faster connection I will agree is going to make a difference, however, it's not cheating, these are things that the system supports that Microsoft allows it to do.

The only game I've played in recent years on a console that I really thought... "You know what, this game would be a lot better with a mouse" is Command and Conquer 3.

The other argument people have talked about on here is how people in the PC Gaming world spend money on expensive mice with lower latency and such. Again this seems to be a failing to understand that what Microsoft has provided is a level playing field. I'm so glad I can play a game without having to spend all my money upgrading my computer and buying parts and accessories to help me to play it all the time. While I used to be into tinkering with PCs and overclocking and such, I really don't miss that at all (despite still being on these forums!).

I've totally got to agree with others on here that there seems to be a real skirting away from the issue, every time the fact that XIM users clearly have an advantage is raised. Either by trying to make out that it doesn't give much advantage, which we all know is nonsense, or by bringing it back round to the fact that it allows you to use other input devices, besides Keyboard and Mouse.

Toysrme's posts went out the window I think when he started telling us how he was the number 1 ranked played for various games etc.

That to me is JUST the kind of person I'd expect to want an XIM to be able to gain an advantage and is nothing at all like somebody who casually just wants an XIM because they generally just prefer Keyboard and Mouse.

While it may be impossible to detect, I did also see somebody say that Xbox Live's terms and status don't say anything about such devices...
well, bare in mind that they have the right to change those terms and conditions whenever they like, plenty of other companies do. At the end of the day, as I've also said before on these topics beofore, XIM seems to be getting more and more press and with XIM3 they are attempting to launch, it's only a matter of time before Microsoft's lawyers step in.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

if this device gives such a big advantage, this then only proves that the current controllers are inadequate and not fit for purpose.

rather than trying to stop such devices, sony and ms should be employing these people to further advance their machines and peripherals.

 

[wannabedamned]

if this device gives such a big advantage, this then only proves that the current controllers are inadequate and not fit for purpose.

rather than trying to stop such devices, sony and ms should be employing these people to further advance their machines and peripherals.

No argument from me there, But it shouldnt be released into a currently even playing field.

If XIM3 style controllers are released next generation, Fine. As long as it is indeed across the board

 

[5punk3monk3y]

Sure man. We'll play tomorrow.
Beware of the UK -> US thing tho. It's naaaaasty lag on console. The anti-lag just flat out makes it impossible.

We've already tried UK US with xim's. Hosting nation always wins LoL!
(great UK cod4 player roflstomping a great us cod4 player)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyaQ-C36-jA

No worries and thanks, btw I'm not a Sniper so as I asked previously any weapon will do can I ask first if we could play a couple of matches.

I will host one then you can etc to balance out the lag. One match pad vs pad then another pad vs Xim then rotate hosts?

 

[Nexus]

if this device gives such a big advantage, this then only proves that the current controllers are inadequate and not fit for purpose.

rather than trying to stop such devices, sony and ms should be employing these people to further advance their machines and peripherals.

What nonsense, the controllers do exactly what they are designed to do.

 

[5punk3monk3y]

We are google page one now lol, I have also replied over in the Xim3 thread as my username was mentioned over there and I really don't want to be branded as a hater.

I have noticed that they are replying in much the same manner as the replies in this thread so I would say after the comments in this thread it was only to be expected.

 

[buddy459rc]

well i would like to say xim2 is the only way i can play on xbox.
as i have arthritis in both my hands and can only play for short spells, and using a pad is really hard for me.
it in no way makes me invincesable as i get my ass handed to me most times,
but it does allow me to play with my friends and most of all for fun.

 

[Simi]

I presume you're referring to me? I didn't say I'd leave the thread because of new people posting new information at all. Whilst some of it is interesting, most of the argument toward the XIM skirts the main subject of this thread, that it isn't fair.

If these new users want to rage on and throw insults, fine by me, the threads gone way past derailment IMO, that's why I have no more interest in it.

Actually mate, forget what I said - after reading the topic on their forums where ocuk'ers are discussed they prove themselves to be smug, self centred arse-aches who think this is a good place for them to 'advertise' as one of them said.
I do see the point that they won't answer why it won't allow itself to be detected by MS and this does suggest that it's a cheat - a decent tech cheat but still a cheat.
I'm also wondering why they call themselves real and old school console gamers (on their forum) but can't manage to use a controller. I was more into PC's after the demise of the N64 so didn't really play PS2 and Xbox but when I got a 360 last year it didn't take me long to get used to the controller.
So yeah, complete turnaround from me since seeing exactly how hostile and arrogant they are on their forums. Give 'em hell, ocUK!

 

[Nexus]

I actually just found that thread.

From the third post in the thread by an XIM user:

"As a Xim1 and 2 user I can say undoubtedly yes there is a percision advantage in fps games on live. But you need to also realize that its the choice of the gamer to pick the proper controller that works best with the game he's playing".

Says it all really.

 

[dannyjo22]

Nexus can you provide a link please to the forum. This tech has alwasy interested me