[YAMT] British Juror Arrested After Listening To Music Under Hijab

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Ulfhedjinn said:
So you don't think that this adds to the debate of wether there should be restrictions on where a headscarf may or may not be worn? Personally I think that they should be forbidden in somewhere like a courtroom, especially if some people are going to abuse the right so they can listen to music under it.


No i dont actually, seeing as last week my mom was in court under jury duty and said she met a lot of muslim women who were wearing hijaabs etc. Although one was wearing the veil but she was told to take it off which shock..horror she did:eek:
 
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No i dont actually, seeing as last week my mom was in court under jury duty and said she met a lot of muslim women who were wearing hijaabs etc. Although one was wearing the veil but she was told to take it off which shock..horror she did:eek:
Good on her in my opinion. :) But, unfortunately, with the sheer number of British Muslims who seem to throw their dummy out of their pram about this, I think it's an issue. :o
 
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@ Spawn why do you think it is a non-issue?!!!


A man could have been falsely convicted of murder and a muslim woman following non-british values could have caused that, that is an issue and I hope no PC brigadiers come to help her and she gets about 5 years in jail, forced not to wear her head dress as punishment, the arrogant ******!!!
 
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@ Spawn why do you think it is a non-issue?!!!


A man could have been falsely convicted of murder and a muslim woman following non-british values could have caused that, that is an issue and I hope no PC brigadiers come to help her and she gets about 5 years in jail, forced not to wear her head dress as punishment, the arrogant ******!!!
What do you mean following non-british values? She was listenining to her ipod while she was supposed to be paying attention. It's not exactly unheard of for British people to do similar things. It's a non-issue that she's a muslim. The only difference that makes is that it was slightly easier to conceal her mp3 player.
 
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What do you mean following non-british values?
The fact she was wearing a headdress is not british, if you say it is please explain the origins in terms of the UK's history?!

She was listenining to her ipod while she was supposed to be paying attention. It's not exactly unheard of for British people to do similar things.
In court? Please tell me a story of similar circumstances.

It's a non-issue that she's a muslim. The only difference that makes is that it was slightly easier to conceal her mp3 player.
Also could I wear one? Could I wear a baseball cap in court without the judge telling me to take it off?
 
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Psyk said:
What do you mean following non-british values? She was listenining to her ipod while she was supposed to be paying attention. It's not exactly unheard of for British people to do similar things. It's a non-issue that she's a muslim. The only difference that makes is that it was slightly easier to conceal her mp3 player.
You took the words straight out of my mouth there!

The fact that she's a Muslim is 100% irrelevant. And what on Earth does 'non-british values' refer to?

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The fact she was wearing a headdress is not british, if you say it is please explain the origins in terms of the UK's history?!
Also could I wear one? Could I wear a baseball cap in court without the judge telling me to take it off?
Wearing foreign headgear does not constitute a non-British value. It's just an item of clothing. It may be popular among Muslims, but that's still irrelevant.

The problem here is that she was listening to music, not that she's a Muslim.
 
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You took the words straight out of my mouth there!

The fact that she's a Muslim is 100% irrelevant. And what on Earth does 'non-british values' refer to?
Like removing your head gear if you go into schools, churches, banks, COURTROOMS etc....
Like I said could I wear a cap in any of those places without being told to take it off?

Or are we living in a religious apartheid?
 
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Van_Dammesque said:
Like removing your head gear if you go into schools, churches, banks, COURTROOMS etc....
Like I said could I wear a cap in any of those places without being told to take it off?

Or are we living in a religious apartheid?
I agree that she shouldn't have been allowed to wear it and that it's wrong that Muslim (and other religions to some extent) should command so much respect. However, that's nothing to do with her.

It's just annoying to see people rant and rave about the 'PC brigade' when this clearly has nothing to do with PC at all.

Like I said, she was in the wrong because she was listening to music.
 
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I agree that she shouldn't have been allowed to wear it and that it's wrong that Muslim (and other religions to some extent) should command so much respect. However, that's nothing to do with her.

It's just annoying to see people rant and rave about the 'PC brigade' when this clearly has nothing to do with PC at all.

Like I said, she was in the wrong because she was listening to music.
She could effectively listen to music without being caught, she knew her head dress would not be removed unlike if I were to conceal headphones with similar attirement, I would be asked to take it off she wouldn't, that is the PC part.
 

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Van_Dammesque said:
Do rabbits in turbans whilst on jury service prevent crucial evidence being heard? :D
if they distract the guy while he should be listening to the case then, yes they do. ;)

comeon, it's quite hard to balanace a rabbit on your head :D
 
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Van_Dammesque said:
The fact she was wearing a headdress is not british, if you say it is please explain the origins in terms of the UK's history?!
But the fact that she was wearing a headdress isn't really the point. The point is she was listening to music. That's hardly an alien thing to our culture.

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In court? Please tell me a story of similar circumstances.
I don't know of any stories that specific, but it's hardly inconcievable that a British person would do something similar. Unless it's written in the Quran somewhere that muslims must listen to Shakira while in court.

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Also could I wear one? Could I wear a baseball cap in court without the judge telling me to take it off?
Well that's a fair point I suppose. Maybe she shouldn't have been allowed to wear the headdress but it's a pretty separate issue from listening to music.
 
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Late joining on this but from the news story the girl was young.

Im not defending her actions, she should get punished. Fair enough.

But look at all the behind closed door racism from some members, such "send her back (or even to jail/prison)

The reason its such a shocker is because of preconceptions of people of this faith, didnt see it coming! You (aimed at no one in particular) reckon because she is Muslim she would not dare do such a thing.

IMHO she is young and did something stupid, faith shouldnt be an aspect of this at all.

Thanks
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Yes, I completely agree that we shouldn't put this poor, defenceless young woman through the rigours of the British judicial system.

Stone her to death on the steps of the Old Bailey, or just lob her ears off instead!
 
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