Your views on gun laws in the UK

Surveyor · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:12

Strife212 said:
That's true, but I'm just saying it's possible, seeing as we were discussing the law being changed.

The discussion is about the law on gun ownership being changed.

If they changed the law tomorrow to allow us all to own guns that doesn't say that they could be used in circumstances any different than they are if you legally owned one now.

clv101 · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:15

rz30 said:
Personally i would love to be able to legally carry as a form of self protection as they can in Texas, the sense of self protection appeals to me. Even the churchmen in various states in America arm themselves.

I feel far safer knowing there's a very small chance other people are carrying guns! I'd feel a lot less safe than I do now, even if I had a gun, if everyone else had one!

rz30 said:
But, can you imagine they legalised guns in Britain, it would be a pretty nasty outcome to say the least, because we are not a mature people, in the states they treat guns with so much respect and it fundamentally adds a whole new level to respect and responsibility that i sometimes wish i could be part off.

Seriously, your thinking is backward. We are far more mature since we've agreed we don't all have to walk around the place with guns! We've advanced beyond the stage where we feel the need to be able to easily kill another person!

rz30 said:
Compare the US to the UK for example, we are so conditioned to not protect ourselves and to have fairly controversial sentencings that it must really dumb us down a lot. Imagine we could all be armed and yet have utmost respect for our firearms. I suppose I'm saying, why can't we be more like the Americans.

Intentional homicide rates in West and Central Europe, 1.2 per 100,000 (2010). In North America it's 4.7. I'm very glad we aren't more like the Americans.

Strife212 · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:19

Surveyor said:
If they changed the law tomorrow to allow us all to own guns that doesn't say that they could be used in circumstances any different than they are if you legally owned one now.

A fair point I suppose.

I'm just trying to present another view, because there is a laughably one sided view in this thread so far.

tres said:
Op must be trolling. There's no way a civilized mind would think like that, surely.

Ah yes, those notorious barbarian nations, Switzerland and Finland.

D.P. · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:22

woppy101 said:
Well my job requres that i MAY have to pull the trigger on another human one day to keep YOUR way of life the way it is,I take it it would be ok then?

What an illogical and irrelevant statement.

Surveyor · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:23

Strife212 said:
I'm just trying to present another view, because there is a laughably one sided view in this thread so far.

Perhaps that's because it is the majority view with only a minority who would support the OP.

Xordium · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:23

Why would we want the general public to be allowed to carry guns? It's one of the good things about this country - we should keep it how it is as the moment where the only people who have guns are the military, police and criminals. Those three groups, in the main, seem to be able to keep themselves from causing too much trouble.

"andy" · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:24

if i could buy guns theres people whom i would have shot by now . maybe

i honestly think the only time i would ever think ''oh i could really do with a gun'' would be if other people had them... but they dont

rz30 · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:25

orderoftheflame said:
Citation needed.

It's been about 1 year since i've read them, trying to find it again, watch this space.

RDM · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:27

The only thing I would like to see changed is the reversal of the ban on handguns. Other than that I feel our laws are a good balance between safety and personal freedom.

Stretch · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:30

rz30 said:
No i'm not kidding, they have always had the right to carry weapons over there. They don't see it as we do, we see it as imminent death, they see it as self preservation. So no i am not kidding.

If you feel the need to carry a gun in the UK for "self preservation" then I'd take a good look at yourself in the mirror. You're obviously sending out the wrong signals.

The american attitude towards guns and the "right to bare arms" is moronic.

RDM · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:30

Surveyor said:
In the UK you aren't, even if you legally own a firearm, unless it was in self defence and then only if the person defending him or herself uses no more than "reasonable force".

The case of Tony Martin springs to mind.

He was convicted of murder, later reduced to manslaughter by the Court of Appeal on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

Tony Martin would also have been convicted in most US states too, shooting someone in the back as thy are running away isn't counted as self defence in most places!

ONESHOTKILL · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:31

I'd love to be able to go to a range in England and shoot various types of guns like you can in the USA but that's about it

Surveyor · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:35

RDM said:
Tony Martin would also have been convicted in most US states too, shooting someone in the back as thy are running away isn't counted as self defence in most places!

Shooting someone in the front isn't either unless using only "reasonable force".

According to Strife212 in Texas you can just shoot people breaking into your house.

arekgreenman888 · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:35

I am for gun carry like in Texas. In UK they could limit each person to owning only 2 guns.

Also very much approve UK Government for allowing us to have air rifles without license. That is one better than in China and even Honk Kong where you cannot even have air rifles up to 12f/p limit. That must really suck.

I love hunting and shooting with my air rifle. Makes me feel like real man when I kill animal. Head shots are the best. One shot one kill. BF3 style baby.

Surveyor · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:40

arekgreenman888 said:
I am for gun carry like in Texas. In UK they could limit each person to owning only 2 guns.

As long as we can only have 2 each there's nothing to worry about.

The OP can get a pair of 6 shooters and a cowboy hat.

arekgreenman888 said:
I love hunting and shooting with my air rifle (AA tx 200hc). Makes me feel like real man.

No cause for concern there then.

arekgreenman888 · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:40

ONESHOTKILL said:
I'd love to be able to go to a range in England and shoot various types of guns like you can in the USA but that's about it

+1 and curry guns like they do in school is also great in USA. Then when those muggers outside school that always threaten you with knife would be easily fended off with a smith & Wesson 460.

asim18 · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:41

Gangs in London can already get hold of Mac-10s within three minutes, while they're illegal.

Please don't cut that down to three seconds.

Robbo · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:42

asim18 said:
Gangs in London can already get hold of Mac-10s within three minutes, while they're illegal. Please don't cut that down to three seconds.

Megahurtz400 · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:43

You're the definition of idiot, and why I want to leave this country.....

Stretch · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:44

arekgreenman888 said:
I am for gun carry like in Texas. In UK they could limit each person to owning only 2 guns.

Also very much approve UK Government for allowing us to have air rifles without license. That is one better than in China and even Honk Kong where you cannot even have air rifles up to 12f/p limit. That must really suck.

I love hunting and shooting with my air rifle. Makes me feel like real man when I kill animal. Head shots are the best. One shot one kill. BF3 style baby.

Two sounds like a safe number :confused:

What the hell are you going to do with an air rifle in Hong Kong :confused:

You can get a hunting rifle in the UK if you can prove you have legitimate use for one, which most people don't, especially "real men" on internet forums.