An iPad Thread.

Status
Not open for further replies.
iPad (or it's decendents) will probably replace the Desktop (or Laptop) for people who view "going on the computer" as a bit of an event, using it occasionally for Facebook, email or Wikipedia type tasks or doing a bit of shopping / price checking.

Interacting directly with data by touching it with your fingers is very natural. Not having to deal with the "cruft" of 30 years of operating system traditions such as a directory structure or task management is a huge relief and reduces the cognitive overload for someone new to computing. Some people never get comfortable with computers, stick them in front of an iPad (or other appliance-type computers that get released) and they will likely be fine. They really are the future of mass-market computing.

I'd love one (already have an iPhone and a laptop hooked up to a monitor) mainly for browsing and apps while sat on the sofa or in bed, so probably Wifi only. I don't see them replacing the Desktop (or Laptop) for day to day work or creation-based tasks (photoshop, long writing, development); but I'd probably take it with me if I went to a conference or something rather than take a laptop.

That said I'd be much happier if Apple allowed "side-loading" of applications outside of the App Store, even if it's behind a load of disclaimers and warnings, hopefully competition from Android and other platforms will make that happen.



Totally agree. Its the future.
 
The fact that this is sold as a web browsing machine but lacks flash support means no purchase from me. Flash is such an integral part of the web these days that Apple are absolutely stupid to not include support for it. The only reason I can see that it doesn't support flash is because their hardware can't handle it? Just makes no sense whatsoever!

It can handle it. The battery life / stability of the device would be appalling, so it's not included.

Apple and Adobe have fallen out, so this is Apple's way to stick it to them. Apple want everyone to move to HTML 5, just as they did when they removed the floppy drive from the original Macs... everyone complained, but it forced an industry change.

It may not work (this time), but Steve Jobs is ballsey and is a control freak.
 
It can handle it. The battery life / stability of the device would be appalling, so it's not included.

Apple and Adobe have fallen out, so this is Apple's way to stick it to them. Apple want everyone to move to HTML 5, just as they did when they removed the floppy drive from the original Macs... everyone complained, but it forced an industry change.

It may not work (this time), but Steve Jobs is ballsey and is a control freak.

Oh undoubtedly the man is a genius when it come to marketing and the iPad is just another device in a long line of stunning design pieces coming from Apple. The difficulty, I believe, is that people are becoming a bit more savvy to technology and the more mainstream it becomes (and I think we have Apple to thank for making it so mainstream) the more people expect for the money they pay. Personally I think that is why the iPad will not have the vast effect on the market that the iPod had, or the iPhone for that matter.

Spit said:
Totally agree. Its the future.

As do I. And I think it's a future I completely welcome - this sort of thing will undeniably become an everyday device. I love the idea of being able to whip out my iPad/iTable/whatever and look things up, check out maps, check the news, use the GPS when I'm driving - the uses and possibilities are endless and IMO extremely exciting. Early days yet tho and I was an early adopter on several recent pieces of tech, that being the first gen Sony Readers and the Android phones, and in all honesty felt a bit let down - I don't intend to do the same with a device like this.

The key to all of this technology is battery life - whoever finds the replacement for current battery tech is going to be both filthy rich but also entirely change the way we interact with technology. More battery power equals more processing power, more communications power, more everything.
 
Last edited:
Have a look at the Norton Ink Adam if you want battery life, up to three times the battery life when used in e-book setting but with a decent LCD screen as well. A lot of people are tipping it to be the best seller... All the benefits of an actual e-reader but none of the downsides of one as well as none of the downsides of the iPad in terms of e-reading (not sure if it has flash YET).

As for the Adobe/Apple spat I'd find it very funny if Adobe turned round and said enough is enough and withdrew PS and Lightroom from OSX! :D However that would be a case of shooting themselves in the foot as they would lose a massive number of sales, however it may "force" a lot of Apple users to change to Windows machines and destroy Apples small market share...
 
Last edited:
Have a look at the Norton Ink Adam if you want battery life, up to three times the battery life when used in e-book setting but with a decent LCD screen as well. A lot of people are tipping it to be the best seller... All the benefits of an actual e-reader but none of the downsides of one as well as none of the downsides of the iPad in terms of e-reading (not sure if it has flash YET).

As for the Adobe/Apple spat I'd find it very funny if Adobe turned round and said enough is enough and withdrew PS and Lightroom from OSX! :D However that would be a case of shooting themselves in the foot as they would lose a massive number of sales, however it may "force" a lot of Apple users to change to Windows machines and destroy Apples small market share...

From a designers perspective the Adobe products are something of a mainstay as are their movie editing suites. I can't see Adobe snubbing Apple seeing as their high end hardware are also so prevalent in the industry - like you say it sould be 'shooting themselves in the foot'.
 
It can handle it. The battery life / stability of the device would be appalling, so it's not included.
How do you know?

Flash gets so much grief as of late, I think Adobe would perhaps go the extra mile to put out a quality implementation for iPad, if they were given the green light.
 
From a designers perspective the Adobe products are something of a mainstay as are their movie editing suites. I can't see Adobe snubbing Apple seeing as their high end hardware are also so prevalent in the industry - like you say it sould be 'shooting themselves in the foot'.

The thing we need to think about is whether Macs are more important than the Adobe design suites to the designers. That I have no idea on (although I would suspect the software was more important than the OS for the majority) so you could see either masses of people abandoning Adobe software for competing software (is there really any?) and having to rebuy and retrain all their people, or selling their Macs and getting in windows machines which would probably require less capital and training time.

Either way it would be a massive risk for Adobe and I can't see them doing it. On the other hand it could be an even bigger risk for Apple as a large majority of professional Mac users use them due to the Adobe software so if Adobe removed all their Mac software Mac sales could collapse and second hand prices take a massive tumble too. Would apple survive as a computer maker if that happened?
 
The thing we need to think about is whether Macs are more important than the Adobe design suites to the designers. That I have no idea on (although I would suspect the software was more important than the OS for the majority) so you could see either masses of people abandoning Adobe software for competing software (is there really any?) and having to rebuy and retrain all their people, or selling their Macs and getting in windows machines which would probably require less capital and training time.

Either way it would be a massive risk for Adobe and I can't see them doing it. On the other hand it could be an even bigger risk for Apple as a large majority of professional Mac users use them due to the Adobe software so if Adobe removed all their Mac software Mac sales could collapse and second hand prices take a massive tumble too. Would apple survive as a computer maker if that happened?

I heard somewhere that Apples primary income is from their mobile devices - i.e. ipods and the like. I'm struggling to find this online tho.

found this:
media_httpstaticbusin_mbpyFgifscale.gif


Seems that their iPhone is a serious money turner for them. Can see why they're taking HTC to court over patent infringement - that a stack of revenue to be at risk.
 
Last edited:
I did specifically mention them being a computer maker in that respect. :)

I didn't realise the iPhone was such a massive part of their revenue and I can see why now they have spat their dummies out at so many companies they are competing against.
 
I did specifically mention them being a computer maker in that respect. :)

I didn't realise the iPhone was such a massive part of their revenue and I can see why now they have spat their dummies out at so many companies they are competing against.

No neither - I honestly though the iPods had more effect, and iTunes makes sod all for them.
 
One thing I would like to ask...

If I have an iPhone already, would I be able to have the same applications on my iPad or do I have to buy them again? I.e. there are no limits to the number of times I can install the applications?
 
I'm tempted but I think I'll wait until at least the 2nd generation. By that time, Apple will have upped the hardware specs, ironed out most of the annoyances in the software and there will be a decent libary of iPad-specific apps.
 
One thing I would like to ask...

If I have an iPhone already, would I be able to have the same applications on my iPad or do I have to buy them again? I.e. there are no limits to the number of times I can install the applications?

Developers will release new applications as "universal binaries".. in other words, when you download Flight Control on a Mac it'll be slightly bigger than usual, but it'll contain 2 separate versions 1) iPhone 2) iPad. (3G limit has been extended to 20MB)

iTunes will be clever enough to sync the correct version to the correct device.

Now.. those applications that aren't developed as a universal binary will simply run on the iPad in a window mode, with the option to stretch the pixels to fill the display *as shown at the iPad announcement event*

Hope that answers it clearly.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
The thing we need to think about is whether Macs are more important than the Adobe design suites to the designers. That I have no idea on (although I would suspect the software was more important than the OS for the majority) so you could see either masses of people abandoning Adobe software for competing software (is there really any?) and having to rebuy and retrain all their people, or selling their Macs and getting in windows machines which would probably require less capital and training time.

Either way it would be a massive risk for Adobe and I can't see them doing it. On the other hand it could be an even bigger risk for Apple as a large majority of professional Mac users use them due to the Adobe software so if Adobe removed all their Mac software Mac sales could collapse and second hand prices take a massive tumble too. Would apple survive as a computer maker if that happened?

The great thing about the Adobe Suite is it's cross platform similarity. I can jump on Photoshop on a Mac or Pc and use it pretty much as well as one another (Once you get used to swapping CTRL for CMD or vice-versa). I'm betting if you had a closed system and the shortcuts were identical no-one would be able to tell you which OS a given Adobe program was running on.

However, there is no way Adobe will pull support from Mac completely. There are too many good alternatives to their programs (They aren't all like Photoshop with no competitor within a gnats whisker of it's capability). If they solidify their position in other sectors like they have with Photoshop (Buy out Quark, for example - Or FCP for Premiere), and Windows shows the same version on version improvement at 7 has, then maybe they could stick the V's upto Jobs and boot Mac out of the creative market. You have to remember that the reason Macs are so prevelant in the industry are for a few things they did first (ICC color profiles being a huge one for serious colour managed workflow - hardware architecture being better for certain things, etc). The advantages they had they no longer posses, and it's largely a combination of misconception and habit they remain in place. OS specific software aside Macs no longer do anything fundamentally better for a creative person than Windows does.
 
The great thing about the Adobe Suite is it's cross platform similarity. I can jump on Photoshop on a Mac or Pc and use it pretty much as well as one another (Once you get used to swapping CTRL for CMD or vice-versa). I'm betting if you had a closed system and the shortcuts were identical no-one would be able to tell you which OS a given Adobe program was running on.

However, there is no way Adobe will pull support from Mac completely. There are too many good alternatives to their programs (They aren't all like Photoshop with no competitor within a gnats whisker of it's capability). If they solidify their position in other sectors like they have with Photoshop (Buy out Quark, for example - Or FCP for Premiere), and Windows shows the same version on version improvement at 7 has, then maybe they could stick the V's upto Jobs and boot Mac out of the creative market. You have to remember that the reason Macs are so prevelant in the industry are for a few things they did first (ICC color profiles being a huge one for serious colour managed workflow - hardware architecture being better for certain things, etc). The advantages they had they no longer posses, and it's largely a combination of misconception and habit they remain in place. OS specific software aside Macs no longer do anything fundamentally better for a creative person than Windows does.

Well to a certain extent - there is something to say for the rather nice hardware you get from Apple and also the extremely slick OS. You know that whatever you plug into a Mac (as long as it's made by Apple) will just work. I'd never buy it myself but it's undeniably pretty and usable.
 
I will be buying one of these when they launch. 32gig non-wifi version i think. I realise it has its flaws and could have been so much better (though more expensive). The price seems reasonable if the rough conversions I have seen are correct.
 
You mean none-3g ;)

I'm chomping at the bit for one of these, and it may shock people but I'm probably going to get the cheapest one instead of the 64GB 3G version. I see this is a great bed time or poo time device with obviously more screen than an iPod Touch of iPhone.

:p
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom