Poll: Poll: should the UK ban the islamic veil?

Sould the UK ban the Islamic veil as the French did?

  • Yes, ban the veil in the UK

    Votes: 688 64.9%

  • Don't like the veil, but a ban is not the right approach

    Votes: 255 24.1%

  • No

    Votes: 117 11.0%
  • Total voters
    1,060
cm1179 said:
because (and rightly so) we are tolerant of things such as this, whereas other countries are not (go and try and build a COE building in an islamic country) and thus we get exploited in our own country. there has to be a limit, there has to be an upkeep of the british, scottish, welsh and irish way which is not walking down the street with your face covered up 24/7 because it gives off a sign of hostility
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This post is full of fail.

There 'has' to be a limit? To what? Why does being tolerant make us exploited? Why does the fact that you think the clothing choice of someone to be hostile mean we need a law banning it? Since when was there a 'british way of walking down the street'?
 
cm1179 said:
because (and rightly so) we are tolerant of things such as this, whereas other countries are not (go and try and build a COE building in an islamic country) and thus we get exploited in our own country. there has to be a limit, there has to be an upkeep of the british, scottish, welsh and irish way which is not walking down the street with your face covered up 24/7 because it gives off a sign of hostility
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Churches in Iran
Churches in Turkey
Synagogues in Iran

Sure, they're not CofE but Islamic states do allow for places of worship for other religions.
 
twoblacklines said:
I have a solution, just ban muslims.

Oh but wait, that might be offensive, so the english living in.....england have to go by stupid muslim law.
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And where has Muslim law become a part of the British Judicial System? I want an actual bill that has gone through Parliament and become an Act which states Islamic Law has replaced British Law.

Go on, try and find one. I won't be holding my breath.
 
There are no Christian churches in Iran that i could find. Certainly nothing any where near as ridiculous as some of the Muslim churches. If they want to live in the UK they should change their culture to fit the UK. Not try and infect the UK with Islamic culture.
 
groen said:
There are no Christian churches in Iran that i could find. Certainly nothing any where near as ridiculous as some of the Muslim churches. If they want to live in the UK they should change their culture to fit the UK. Not try and infect the UK with Islamic culture.
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Christian Churches in Iran

There an actual directory of churches in Iran which you can contact if you wish.
 
growse said:
This post is full of fail.

There 'has' to be a limit? To what? Why does being tolerant make us exploited? Why does the fact that you think the clothing choice of someone to be hostile mean we need a law banning it? Since when was there a 'british way of walking down the street'?
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if you don't think this country gets exploited for our good nature, you are kidding yourself
 
In this case, should a Sikh have to remove their turban or a Jew have to remove their yarmulkes? After all, these bits of clothing identify these groups as people of different faiths.
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but.......





.... I an see there faces
 
eatcustard said:
Why cant people have a discussion (right or wrong) with out people like you calling us racist.

Religion is not a race is it.:rolleyes:
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Because sadly this is what 'racism' has become...a completely different meaning all together.

OriginalJonty said:
This law specifically targets a group of people.
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Every law targets specific groups of people? =/
 
twoblacklines said:
so the english living in.....england have to go by stupid muslim law.
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Hang on.. since when is the freedom to wear what you like a muslim law?

Have you ever beeen arrested for breaking a muslim law?

We're not being coerced in the slightest, we're being open, tolerant and welcoming. I'm not sure how you see this as coercion?
 
Delvis said:
Because sadly this is what 'racism' has become...a completely different meaning all together.



Every law targets specific groups of people? =/
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Laws generally affect the whole population, not segments of it. Laws against murder, robbery, abuse etc. affect everyone. This law affects Muslims, which in my books is discrimination
 
cm1179 said:
if you don't think this country gets exploited for our good nature, you are kidding yourself
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Feel free to quiver in your fortress, but I for one don't particularly feel worse off due to my and my fellow countrymen's good nature. In fact, I'd probably say the opposite.
 
OriginalJonty said:
Laws generally affect the whole population, not segments of it. Laws against murder, robbery, abuse etc. affect everyone. This law affects Muslims, which in my books is discrimination
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No it doesn't, they re-inforce the law about wearing various ;garments / headwear' over a persons head.

People wearing motorcycle helmets don't tend to walk around in them and walk into shops with them on.

Because it's 'part of the religeon', they become exempt.
 
The issue for me isn't banning face viels, if people choose to dress this way then they should be free to do so, much like idiots who wear their jeans round their knees with their bums on show.

The only issue in any of this that requires any sort of state intervention is where people are forced against their will to wear veils, in this case the state should intervene. If taking action in such a case is not clear and simple using current legislation then we should legislate to make the crime and the penalties clear.

There are no other arguments worthy of consideration, current health and saftey laws will already ban the wearing of a viel or other piece of clothing when it is dangerous to do so and beyond that it is frankly non of my or the states business what attire someone chooses to wear.
 
OriginalJonty said:
In Tehran, that one lists 4. I'll try to find a more conclusive list. I'm not saying that there isn't persecution in the area against christians but some people seem to think that Christians are not free to worship in some Islamic states.
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Surely that what depend on what you mean by "free to worship"? There is extensive persecution and discrimination against most non muslims in muslim states.
 
Delvis said:
No it doesn't, they re-inforce the law about wearing various ;garments / headwear' over a persons head.

People wearing motorcycle helmets don't tend to walk around in them and walk into shops with them on.

Because it's 'part of the religeon', they become exempt.
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And do you believe that a ban will help Muslims become assimilated into our culture or do you believe they'll become more ostracised?
 
Delvis said:
No it doesn't, they re-inforce the law about wearing various ;garments / headwear' over a persons head.

People wearing motorcycle helmets don't tend to walk around in them and walk into shops with them on.

Because it's 'part of the religeon', they become exempt.
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There's no law preventing me from walking down the street with my motorbike helmet on. I do it every day.
 
RDM said:
Surely that what depend on what you mean by "free to worship"? There is extensive persecution and discrimination against most non muslims in muslim states.
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I didn't deny that there wasn't discrimination but surely this ban is no better where Muslim's are being discriminated against?
 
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