THE NEW KING - GTX 590 IS HERE!

straxusii · 25 Mar 2011 at 08:21

MooMoo444 said:
a lot of review sites measure noise levels in an open bench setup too. You have to remember it will be even quieter when tucked away nicely in a case, possibly even under a desk.

Absolutely, I take the figures from review sites to give me a relative idea how loud a card is, not an absolute level.

I know for me personally my old 5870 was about as loud as I want from a graphics card so looking at TPUP I know that anything over 43dbA on their scale wouldnt be ok for me.

Cool Breeze · 25 Mar 2011 at 09:23

Just watched the Vid, just wow... Cheap chinese manufacturing returns to haunt us, thought this type of manufacturing went out with the 80's....

So Nvidia fails this card is not faster than 6990 and blows up...

Bang goes the competition (pun intended!)

An Exception · 25 Mar 2011 at 09:24

straxusii said:
Not at all, dbA is an exponential scale. Each 10dbA is a perceived doubling of volume. The 590 is 48dbA, might not sound like a lot but that makes the 6990 about 60% louder than 590.

You can't compare dbA levels between sites because of course it depends how they test.

I was comparing the difference of perceived loudness of a card running Furmark at 71db and at 53db running a game, and at 53db the card is perceived to be roughly 75% quieter, obviously your right however that we can't really compare tests from different reviews as the sound level meter could be closer or further away from the cards in each test setup.

I know that with each +10db, perceived loudness doubles, but is the difference in perceived loudness linear or exponential? For example a difference of +5db may not translate to 50% difference in loudness, instead 50% louder could be +8db with the remaining 2db account for the other 50% to double perceived loudness, or of course it could be the other way around.

An Exception · 25 Mar 2011 at 09:54

Gerard said:
They mention the following:

IMPORTANT: The supplied Geforce Drivers 267.52 for Geforce GTX 590 will not stop the card from overheating when overclocking. Please use newer versions from the Nvidia website and stay away from 267.52. Otherwise this may happen ...

Also note the Overclock was fairly mild, below were the setting's used.

"Settings used during card failure:
GPU Clock @ 772 MHz
GPU VCore @ 1,025 V"

Marine-RX179 · 25 Mar 2011 at 10:14

Ejizz said:
Also note the Overclock was fairly mild, below were the setting's used.

"Settings used during card failure:
GPU Clock @ 772 MHz
GPU VCore @ 1,025 V"

Nearly 170MHz over stock clock is fairly mild? That's 27% overclock :confused:

Also, 1.025V might not seem all that high for the average single GPU cards...you have to remember both the 6990 and GTX590 are both basically entering new territory in temps on power consumption on a single card. I'm not sure if our understanding of the level of voltage used for standard cards and the level of voltage they can tolerate applies for these cards as well...so it's not exactly an apple to apple comparison.

Ezyryder · 25 Mar 2011 at 10:16

Raven nowhere to be seen ... LOL

'Wes · 25 Mar 2011 at 10:18

Ezyryder said:
Raven nowhere to be seen ... LOL

He's suspended.

hlennie · 25 Mar 2011 at 10:22

Ejizz said:
^^^
He's been suspended...

oh dear what he say this time?

590 is not looking a good option at the moment but we shall see what happens when the drivers for this card mature and the prices drop a little

personally i think nvidia have crammed in far to much on such a small pcb and we wont see the great overclocks that we have seen on the 500 series so far.

it wont suprise me if an early refresh of the 590 will be in the pipe line soon.

with these cards going pop im so glad that msi did not name their gtx series big bang be the first ever card to live up to its name

MooMoo444 · 25 Mar 2011 at 10:45

'Wes said:
He's suspended.

i think RavenXXX is a pretty cool guy. eh reads from review sites and doesnt afraid of anything.

muggs · 25 Mar 2011 at 10:53

'Wes said:
He's suspended.

i wonder if he asked to be suspended

well maybe not as i see kylew is also suspended

jorzeh · 25 Mar 2011 at 11:00

Hmm I COULD order this, But i'm pretty sure my hub would lock me in the shed with it if i did, Since one gaming rig has a 6970 and my other has two 580s

wtb quad, He is not a hardware fan.

mikeyholt · 25 Mar 2011 at 11:00

I'm surprised there is no reference OEM edition.

]MadBoy[ · 25 Mar 2011 at 11:07

jorzeh said:
Hmm I COULD order this, But i'm pretty sure my hub would lock me in the shed with it if i did, Since one gaming rig has a 6970 and my other has two 580s wtb quad, He is not a hardware fan.

buy another 6950/6970 and kick ass with that...

ahenners · 25 Mar 2011 at 11:55

Gutted for ATI, having the fastest single graphics card didn't last that long did it?! Also lol at the £666.66 price, is it purely for giggles?

muggs · 25 Mar 2011 at 12:08

AndyH_Lufc said:
Gutted for ATI, having the fastest single graphics card didn't last that long did it?! Also lol at the £666.66 price, is it purely for giggles?

the title of this thread is wrong

An Exception · 25 Mar 2011 at 12:10

Marine-RX179 said:
Nearly 170MHz over stock clock is fairly mild? That's 27% overclock

Also, 1.025V might not seem all that high for the average single GPU cards...you have to remember both the 6990 and GTX590 are both basically entering new territory in temps on power consumption on a single card. I'm not sure if our understanding of the level of voltage used for standard cards and the level of voltage they can tolerate applies for these cards as well...so it's not exactly an apple to apple comparison.

It's very mild for these cores, especially considering that these cores should easily get to 580 speeds without breaking much of a sweat and not get too hot considering it has a decent cooler.
27% may sound ok, but it's only because the cores were massively down-clocked, over clocking to stock 580 clocks shouldn't be too much of an ask of these chips.

At the end of the day it's an apples to apples comparison, because the 6990 can easily get to 6970 clocks or higher, with most getting to 950 - 1ghz and doesn't blow up.
There's not getting around it, the 590 is a fail...

An Exception · 25 Mar 2011 at 12:13

AndyH_Lufc said:
Gutted for ATI, having the fastest single graphics card didn't last that long did it?! Also lol at the £666.66 price, is it purely for giggles?

Mr Krugga · 25 Mar 2011 at 12:14

drunkenmaster said:
Don't forget guys that the worst noise for the 6990 comes in Furmark which 99% of review sites tested with powertune unlimited and the OC bios(rightly I might add), however most also tested the 590gtx in furmark with the furmark limit in place. Anandtech suggest 70dba in furmark but significantly lower in actual gaming, the 590gtx comes in as quieter everywhere, but in games its not monumentally quieter, its just the daft Furmark comparisons that make them seem miles apart.

Make no mistake, AMD screwed the pooch on the fan, bigger proper fan would mean AMD would have had the unquestionable king of cards, lower power(again ignore furmark unless the 590gtx is tested with the furmark limit turned off(not sure Nvidia have even made it possible, I know it was ont he 580/570/etc), faster, cheaper, with a proper fan it would have been quieter and cooler on top of that, and with better xfire scaling it would have been such an obvious win for AMD(still is, just narrower).

Also worth mentioning so far I've seen little to suggest the cores are dying on the 590gtx's, it seems to be the power circuitry, nothing more than that, but thats still a huge issue. If some are dying at stock, then Nvidia have a massive massive problem coming and bad press with RMA numbers potentially being high in the future. I'd expect the 6990 to have higher RMA rates than any other AMD card but, dying in reviews in a few days of testing, thats really not good. If the mosfets are blowing up very quickly, and thats the real issue, with a fairly small bump in voltage, you wonder how hot they are running at normal settings and how long they'll last.

The 6990 is insanely loud.

Ejizz said:
I was comparing the difference of perceived loudness of a card running Furmark at 71db and at 53db running a game, and at 53db the card is perceived to be roughly 75% quieter, obviously your right however that we can't really compare tests from different reviews as the sound level meter could be closer or further away from the cards in each test setup.

I know that with each +10db, perceived loudness doubles, but is the difference in perceived loudness linear or exponential? For example a difference of +5db may not translate to 50% difference in loudness, instead 50% louder could be +8db with the remaining 2db account for the other 50% to double perceived loudness, or of course it could be the other way around.

Of course you could always read up on it before speculating and that would save us a lot of reading (or skipping for that matter) of pointless posts.

Here's a link just in case you find a lame excuse for not reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure

An Exception · 25 Mar 2011 at 12:18

^^^
Yep, it hasn't got a very good cooler why AMD did this who know's?
The chips them selves are not that hot though, so a 3rd party cooler or water block would do wonders, and it will be a non-issue once AIB's release cards with custom coolers.

Final8y · 25 Mar 2011 at 12:20

Ejizz said:
^^^
Yep, it hasn't got a very good cooler why AMD did this who know's?
The chips them selves are not that hot though, so a 3rd party cooler or water block would do wonders, and it will be a non-issue once AIB's release cards with custom coolers.

Seeing both on 3rd party will be the ticket.

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