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OK, sorry, i apologise.
To put it in a more tactful way - surely you can appreciate the importance of CL football to the club and the importance to the finances of getting it back ASAP?
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OK, sorry, i apologise.
To put it in a more tactful way - surely you can appreciate the importance of CL football to the club and the importance to the finances of getting it back ASAP?
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I think Henderson will prove a very good signing. I think its £6m over his worth when i think you need more "ready" players however in a couple of years i think he will be worth considerably more!!
How do you think he will fit with your current players? Im not sure he plays in an area you really need strengthening straight away.
I can appreciate the importance of the CL to a football club and its finances certainly. However, contrary to what some might say about my waistline, I am not a football club.
What I think is more important to Liverpool right at this point, is to regain some kind of similarity to the halcyon days of the club, the bootroom, bringing players (traditionally british players) up through the ranks, forming a passion and family about the people wearing the shirt, bringing young talent into the team, showing them the Liverpool way and instilling that into them and developing it, whilst giving them the tools to then fill the shirts of the home nations national sides. If success comes with that too, thats great, if it doesnt, I'm fine with that too. It is just good enough to me to get the same sense of pride in who they represent off the players on the pitch now when I watch them as it did 30+ years ago when I watched them. Thats all I seek and all I expect.
I've said on here before that ultimately I see Henderson as the long term successor to Gerrard.
In the short term I think he'll provide another option in CM but mainly compete with Meireles to play in a role tucked in on the right hand side with us signing a natural winger to play on the left.
I think he will develop into a box to box midfielder, possibly becoming the long term replacement for Gerrard even. I'm not expecting a huge amount from Gerrard next season if I'm honest, I think he will likely get worse and more common injuries from now on til the end of his career and I really dont expect to get a full (or possibly even 75%) season out of him now.
Although Henderson can play on the wing, I'm hopeful that we will sign a "proper" winger during the window and that wont be needed.
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I can appreciate the importance of the CL to a football club and its finances certainly. However, contrary to what some might say about my waistline, I am not a football club.
What I think is more important to Liverpool right at this point, is to regain some kind of similarity to the halcyon days of the club, the bootroom, bringing players (traditionally british players) up through the ranks, forming a passion and family about the people wearing the shirt, bringing young talent into the team, showing them the Liverpool way and instilling that into them and developing it, whilst giving them the tools to then fill the shirts of the home nations national sides. If success comes with that too, thats great, if it doesnt, I'm fine with that too. It is just good enough to me to get the same sense of pride in who they represent off the players on the pitch now when I watch them as it did 30+ years ago when I watched them. Thats all I seek and all I expect.
And i think you have summed up everything that is holding Liverpool back.
You are looking for a 2011 club to be run with a 1970s ethos.
Even our manager has said so many times in the last 25 years how much he has had to change how things are done in order to remain successful.
Liverpool will always be a huge club but "the bootroom" is dead. What you watched 30 years ago doesnt exist any more im afraid.
I suspect that Dalglish may come unstuck this season as soon as the novelty of his return wears off.
You won the FA cup in 86 with no Englishmen but that was a team with 11 guys who had English as their first laguage. No Englishemen now mean a cosmopolitan dressing room with a whole different set of problems. "The bootroom" of 86 would struggle to adapt to that.
I think a lot of what could possibly happen over that time frame may well be forseeeable by Aug 31st
There is a chance that Man Utd and or Chelsea could see a dramatic drop in form and fall out of the CL places - I cant see it somehow (given even with terrible seasons / squad performances 2010/11 they were still 1st and 3rd) but its still a potential factor
City , now that they are in the CL can persaude better players to join for football reasons not just monitary ones, so they could be in the top four to stay (admittedly they still have to be tested week in week out balancing CL with EPL games - could well be a shock to the collective system, but imo less of a ? than the below)
Arsenal / Liverpool / Spurs / possibly Everton (dark horse)
Especially the first two really need to do major work on their squads - Liverpool have a head start as they have already bought decent aquasitions since Jan - and its possible Arsenal might lose a couple of core players before really adding any headliners. Spurs need squad depth more than anything but potentially all three are fighting for one spot and if rebuilding is delayed too long it could easily be too late (unless big money is spent on ready made players).
Of course SAF has to be replaced in the not too distant future, but imo thats (just) out of the time frame you mentioned
With so many teams practically requiring plenty of new faces 2011 - 2013/4 should be facinating to watch and see how the newer faces grow
Again I have to point out that I really dont overly care about winning the trophies, you say that a return to that style will hold it back, I say that a return to that style returns it to the reason why I started watching football in the first place. I dont personally consider Dalglishs return to be a "novelty" but I'm sure some do around the nation. Perhaps he will become unstuck this season, after all it was exclaimed upon this very forum that he would get Liverpool relegated last season..perhaps he wont become unstuck. Thats something I will just have to wait and see what happens. However, if he has the team back playing in the manner I like, with a sense around the club I like, then I will be happy with any league position come the end of the season.
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Rumors of Honda to City have risen again.
Took this off City forum.
I only have seen him in the World Cup where he looked good. Our track record from CSKA is not great though
Very talented player imo and would be remarkably cheap by costs today, I believe CSKA said in January that a bid of £12m would be good enough to make them consider selling. Doesnt really strike me as the sort of player City would go after though I must admit. He should come to Liverpool, he dyes his hair blond, we've got a good track record with people dying their hair blond
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Fair play to you in that case.
Personally i cant really get my head round that. There has to be a trade off somewhere. Its almost an excuse for failure before the game kicks off.
Everton? Not unless they get a new owner, they're skint and are at best static, at worst going backwards.
It's going to be a cracker of a season next though.
IMO Arsenal don't actually need to do that much to their squad, it's young, has decent players (if they keep everyone anyway) who know how to play - add Vermaelen and a fitter Chamakh to last years squad which apart from a poor end they were, as ever, never in the slightest danger of not making top 4. Spurs will probably bottle it again. Liverpool will be the interesting one to watch though for sure.
I personally wouldn't be that confident as a Utd fan, the efforts of the 'veterans' this year were IMO the difference that dragged them over the edge and not having VdS, Scholes, Giggs(?) to call on in those crunch games I think is going to make them look vulnerable, especially if say Vidic picks up a knock that keeps him out - and the Berbatov situation too is just weird.
Obviously this is well early days and plenty of signings to come but should be a good, more open season anyway
It's going to be a cracker of a season next though.
IMO Arsenal don't actually need to do that much to their squad, it's young, has decent players (if they keep everyone anyway) who know how to play - add Vermaelen and a fitter Chamakh to last years squad which apart from a poor end they were, as ever, never in the slightest danger of not making top 4. Spurs will probably bottle it again. Liverpool will be the interesting one to watch though for sure.
I personally wouldn't be that confident as a Utd fan, the efforts of the 'veterans' this year were IMO the difference that dragged them over the edge and not having VdS, Scholes, Giggs(?) to call on in those crunch games I think is going to make them look vulnerable, especially if say Vidic picks up a knock that keeps him out - and the Berbatov situation too is just weird.
Obviously this is well early days and plenty of signings to come but should be a good, more open season anyway
Fair play to you in that case.
Personally i cant really get my head round that. There has to be a trade off somewhere. Its almost an excuse for failure before the game kicks off.
Its just different people thats all, different reasons for watching the sport for different people. I mean lets face it, there are a hell of a lot more supporters who will follow their chosen teams week in , week out, decade in , decade out without winning diddly, than ones who expect success. My footballing world doesnt end if we dont win anything, my footballing world doesnt even end if we get relegated to League Two. I'd rather lose 4-3 in a tense, end to end, thrilling match than win 4-0 in a one-way stroll.
Its only really an excuse for failure if your aim is success, otherwise you dont need an excuse or explanation. My aim is entertainment and er...not sure how to phrase it... "the team"...I dont know, thats not right, cant think of the words to say what I mean with that bit, but anyway I suppose some would call it a lack of ambition. Which is entirely possible as I am not a very ambitious person in life, to the point that I have in the past refused promotion at work. I'm more an enjoyment seeker than a pinnacle seeker in things, I do nothing to be the best at it, I just do it because I like it.
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I personally wouldn't be that confident as a Utd fan, the efforts of the 'veterans' this year were IMO the difference that dragged them over the edge and not having VdS, Scholes, Giggs(?) to call on in those crunch games I think is going to make them look vulnerable, especially if say Vidic picks up a knock that keeps him out - and the Berbatov situation too is just weird.
Obviously this is well early days and plenty of signings to come but should be a good, more open season anyway
Behave yerself man!!
We have won the league.
Since then we are in for Jones, De Gea, Nasri and Young.
Our rivals -
Chelsea - No manager, nuff said.
City - Best player wants to leave
Arsenal - Car crash so far
We are shiny happy people compared to our rivals.
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Its just different people thats all, different reasons for watching the sport for different people. I mean lets face it, there are a hell of a lot more supporters who will follow their chosen teams week in , week out, decade in , decade out without winning diddly, than ones who expect success. My footballing world doesnt end if we dont win anything, my footballing world doesnt even end if we get relegated to League Two. I'd rather lose 4-3 in a tense, end to end, thrilling match than win 4-0 in a one-way stroll.
Its only really an excuse for failure if your aim is success, otherwise you dont need an excuse or explanation. My aim is entertainment and er...not sure how to phrase it... "the team"...I dont know, thats not right, cant think of the words to say what I mean with that bit, but anyway I suppose some would call it a lack of ambition. Which is entirely possible as I am not a very ambitious person in life, to the point that I have in the past refused promotion at work. I'm more an enjoyment seeker than a pinnacle seeker in things, I do nothing to be the best at it, I just do it because I like it.
You dropped a bollock with Liverpool if that the critera eh?
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I think it's a bit early in the transfer window to start speculating about next season's prospects. Anything could happen yet, City could lose Tevez, but might make some massive signings, Chelsea could stun everyone with signings or be very quiet, it's impossible to tell at the moment. Let's leave the predictions for August 
You dropped a bollock with Liverpool if that the critera eh?
Well I started following Liverpool as a kid because of the sheer excitement in their games. To be honest, I could have ended up following anyone, if Utd had been the exciting matches then, or Arsenal or Spurs, I could have ended up following them. As it was, it was Liverpool at the time and has been ever since. People sometimes will ask me what the most exciting matches I've ever seen over the years are and oddly every one of them tends to end up involving Liverpool in some ludicrous 4-3 win or 4-4 draw or 4-3 loss. (Liverpool/Newcastles 4-3 is still the one I have at the top, just a crazy match) We may not trounce the opposition, but I can certainly come away entertained on the whole. (oddly enough, if we did trounce the opposition all the time I actually think it would put me off rather than spur me on)
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Well I started following Liverpool as a kid because of the sheer excitement in their games. To be honest, I could have ended up following anyone, if Utd had been the exciting matches then, or Arsenal or Spurs, I could have ended up following them. As it was, it was Liverpool at the time and has been ever since. People sometimes will ask me what the most exciting matches I've ever seen over the years are and oddly every one of them tends to end up involving Liverpool in some ludicrous 4-3 win or 4-4 draw or 4-3 loss. (Liverpool/Newcastles 4-3 is still the one I have at the top, just a crazy match) We may not trounce the opposition, but I can certainly come away entertained on the whole. (oddly enough, if we did trounce the opposition all the time I actually think it would put me off rather than spur me on)
At the risk of getting all misty eyed i started supporting Utd when the rest of the world was a Liverpool fan (mid 80s). I live miles away from being relevant but all my friends were Liverpool fans except my best mate who had family in Manchester who sent programmes and shirts and stuff so i became a Utd fan by default. The distance from Manchester wasnt an issue then!!!
I would have been a Utd fan no matter what happened and its just good luck that it went up rather than down really.
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