Should prohibition end?

Fangman said:
It can also be better regulated, most of the time someone is made ill from a drug, it is because of what it was cut with. This can include arsnic, rat posion, cleaning agents all of it worse than the actual drug.
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No it doesn't. Drugs are pretty much without exception cut with harmless and inert compounds, usually a form of sugar. Some are cut with other drugs - caffeine is a favourite in several cases - but always something no worse than the main drug. If there has ever been a case of a drug batch being cut the way you say there's no record of it, just scare stories - ironically both sides repeat the same stories to support their respective arguments: legalise it stop this happening, or don't legalise it because this is what happens. The drugs trade is all about repeat business, and keeping a low profile. Offing your clients would be too stupid for even the average druggie.


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sniffy said:
So you're saying that a person's choice to smoke weed is a reflection of their maturity level? How, err, very mature of you.
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No. I used to party HARD when I was in my late teens and did near everything bar needles. Having a family, paying for a house and running your own business takes a lot of time and effort that squeezes things like cannabis and even booze out of your life. I rarely drink to excess these days either. Literally, I grew out of it. Problem?
 
Theres both sides to the story here. The book is certainly not closed. There are pros and cons to all systems and no1 has the right to tell someone what to do. Even the government.... legal or not it's still up to one person. YOURSELF!...

On that note what people don't realise is alcohol and smoking are still drugs too.... Alcohol has caused more problems around the North East than any other drug going just by looking at police stats and even speaking to police personally.....
 
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iDroid84 said:
police stats and even speaking to police personally.....
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The police love it though. These are nice easy stats for the police - just stop and search and they have another conviction/statistic on a plate. If drugs became legal they would have to lay off a fair chunk of the police force. Have to keep them busy catching these evil criminals who walk around the street with a small amount of cannabis in their pockets.
 
Whilst as far as i'm concerned what consenting adults do in their own time is no one's business but their own, I seriously doubt we'll see legalised drugs in the UK for some time.

Reason being that politically it's a risky move. Whilst I doubt actual drug use will surge (It may increase slightly due to very occasional users having better access), visible drug use definitely will. It's only going to take a few instances of open cocaine use in a club/pub ending in a fight to have opposing parties declare that they will have drugs recriminalised if elected to completely screw over the party in power.

Basically I think the length of time it will take for things to 'settle in', will be longer than the succeeding election, and therefore no one is going to take that risk.

Maybe i'm overly cynical about the state of the UK Government, but I think it's going to take a significant number of countries going with it first and I don't think Holland and Portugal are going to be sufficient; most likely France/Germany/Scandinavia. I do however think we might get there before the states do.
 
iraiguana said:
If the only reason you have not tried: e, heroin, coke etc... is due to what it may have been cut with you are fairly ignorant to the additive properties of some of these drugs.

Yes I agree taking out the illegal and having a government controlled source for drugs would make them safer and potentially cheaper to the end user, but it will not remove the drug users need for money, which has to be sourced from somewhere as your typical heroin addict is unlikely to be able to hold down a steady job.

You are over simplifying the problems with basic and relatively safe examples and then applying it to completely different classes of drugs.
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It would be much cheaper and less harmful to society to simply give heroin addicts heroin on subscription. (It is happening already in a few small trials.)
 
StonedPenguin said:
is the only drug that is a gift from mother nature.. All your other 'drugs' need mixing in a lab or whatever (bar mushrooms) where as Cannabis simply grows, Flower's and is ready..
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Not true. There are lots of drugs which are effectively a 'gift from nature' I.e require no post processing in a lab. Opium is an obvious one, as is peyote, khat and there are many more.
 
EdwardTeach said:
Not true. There are lots of drugs which are effectively a 'gift from nature' I.e require no post processing in a lab. Opium is an obvious one, as is peyote, khat and there are many more.
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On top of this, to say that weed is perfectly fine because it's natural and extacy isn't is like saying herbal remedies are excellent but antibiotics aren't.
 
Tourists to Be Banned From Dutch Pot Shops

The Netherlands is planning to ban foreigners from Dutch pot shops where marijuana is legally sold. Drug tourism to Amsterdam has increased, so this measure against substance abuse is needed, according to the government.

The tourism industry, however, is strongly against the measure.
The cabinet´s plans are to turn coffee shops into clubs with a limited number of members, who must be Dutch citizens and at least 18 years old. A spokesperson for the Tourism Board said:

"Coffee shops are not actively promoted by our organization and are not used in order to attract tourists. However, the mere idea that one can buy and use soft drugs here is an attractive aspect of Amsterdam and its famous spirit of freedom."

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/06/07/amsterdam.pot.shops.ban/index.html
 
^TANK^ said:
I would be quite happy for the UK to have Singapore stance on drugs.

Taken from WikiTravel :).

WARNING: Singapore treats drug offences extremely severely. The death penalty is mandatory for those convicted of trafficking, manufacturing, importing or exporting more than 15 g of heroin, 30 g of morphine, 30 g of cocaine, 500 g of cannabis, 200 g of cannabis resin and 1.2 kg of opium, and possession of these quantities is all that is needed for you to be convicted. For unauthorised consumption, there is a maximum of 10 years' jail or fine of $20,000, or both. You can be charged for unauthorised consumption as long as traces of illicit drugs are found in your system, even if you can prove that they were consumed outside the country, and you can be charged for trafficking as long as drugs are found in bags that are in your possession or in your room, even if they aren't yours and regardless of whether you're aware of them.

Have that you dirty ******* pond life scum lol :p.
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Oxy said:
Anyone who takes illegal drugs should be executed in my book.
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Oh dear.

Frankly, legalisation of drugs isn't going to happen. As has already been covered, it'd mean so much backpedalling from the government that they'd be off the planet by the time they got anywhere close to legalisation.

People should be able to take what they want in the privacy of their own homes without any interference from the state. I think a combination of state driven misinformation, people's anecdotes either real or false combined with the police's targets to be solving 'crime' results in climate where large numbers of people see drugs as a bad thing.

The story that one poster wrote about someone being sick to death as a result of taking cannabis strikes me as particularly bizarre, I'm certain you'd find a similar anecdote about alcohol. Alcohol, when not drank in moderation causes problems, much the same with drugs. I know people who 'bang 7 gram rocks' and act like total retards, I also know people who take drugs in moderation at parties and are content enjoying a party, much like I know people who binge until they're hospitalised, and people who drink and enjoy.

I personally think that the illegal status of many drugs drives crime, I'm sure if you banned alcohol tomorrow you'd see consumption of alcohol drop and crime levels rise.

With regards to legalising drugs and increased consumption, I somehow doubt that people would be queuing by the masses to buy large quantities of coke or MD. I also doubt that those who then began taking drugs (having previously not taken them whilst illegal) would become epic heroine addicts.
 
^TANK^ said:
Originally Posted by ^TANK^
I would be quite happy for the UK to have Singapore stance on drugs.

Taken from WikiTravel .

WARNING: Singapore treats drug offences extremely severely. The death penalty is mandatory for those convicted of trafficking, manufacturing, importing or exporting more than 15 g of heroin, 30 g of morphine, 30 g of cocaine, 500 g of cannabis, 200 g of cannabis resin and 1.2 kg of opium, and possession of these quantities is all that is needed for you to be convicted. For unauthorised consumption, there is a maximum of 10 years' jail or fine of $20,000, or both. You can be charged for unauthorised consumption as long as traces of illicit drugs are found in your system, even if you can prove that they were consumed outside the country, and you can be charged for trafficking as long as drugs are found in bags that are in your possession or in your room, even if they aren't yours and regardless of whether you're aware of them.

Have that you dirty ******* pond life scum lol .
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Wow. What an overblown response.
 

I'd be quite happy for the UK to have Portugal stance on drugs.

Taken from WikiTravel.

Illicit Drug Use

On July 1, 2001, a nationwide law in Portugal took effect that decriminalized the recreational use of all drugs. Note that drug possession for personal use and drug usage itself are still legally prohibited, but violations of those prohibitions are deemed to be exclusively administrative violations and are removed completely from the criminal realm. Drug trafficking continues to be prosecuted as a criminal offense.
 
Meridian said:
No it doesn't. Drugs are pretty much without exception cut with harmless and inert compounds, usually a form of sugar. Some are cut with other drugs - caffeine is a favourite in several cases - but always something no worse than the main drug. If there has ever been a case of a drug batch being cut the way you say there's no record of it, just scare stories - ironically both sides repeat the same stories to support their respective arguments: legalise it stop this happening, or don't legalise it because this is what happens. The drugs trade is all about repeat business, and keeping a low profile. Offing your clients would be too stupid for even the average druggie.


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How do you know for certain, that they are cut with just a form of sugar or caffeine? I however, do not know for certain that they are not but if I was to entertain the idea of consuming it from a legitimate and reputable source, I would certainly want to know what was in it.
 
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