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and Rooney's just as strong if not stronger
Without joining the debate, Rooney's not as strong as Yakubu. The man's a bull.
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Of course he has, the mere fact he mentioned Hoarau tells you he's getting this all from FM.
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Yakubu has bulk, and has had a lot of luck, Rooney has the same bulk AND when he was at Everton and new at Utd one of his biggest strengths was getting the ball and running at defences, he doesn't do that half as much.
Big men as in buying a 6.7giant big, aren't very useful. You're the one who bought up Koller, the same types of players, guys you just lump the ball up long to would be Crouch, Zigic, etc, those guys are simply crap footballers.
Big men, Yakubu, did you mean to say fat? What you're talking about is GOOD PLAYERS, not BIG players, hence me telling you that was rubbish.
The biggest guys are all cack footballers and also not very good in the air, which is why I said it.
You can get bullying type players, the word for them is STRONG, not BIG, there is a world of difference. There are also plenty of strong players who are utterly cack, Heskey, Carew, etc, etc.
Ultimately, short, big, fat, strong, midget, foreign, english, alien, you want quality players, nothing else matters.
Who are the best headers in the league, Ronaldo was probably THE best, Cahill though he hasn't scored in about 12 years, Welbecks got quite a few headers in his past 18 months, does he count as big.
Guys who GET TO HEADERS FIRST, win the headers, simple as that, a mix of speed, strength and ability to read the game generally wins the day here. Messi scored a champions league final winning goal against two big defenders, he did it with his head, by reading the ball and good placement of the cross. Owen scored quite a lot of headers.
Again you should be looking for a QUALITY player, full stop, not tall, or strong or anything else.
Also again, Rooney has shown he CAN do this if he is played in that role, and he's not particularly good deeper, so why would you spend 5million on a striker, let alone 15m, for something that suits Rooney better than his current role and Rooney has had his best season at Utd in that role?
As for why you've thrown Smalling upfront, if you really need the help, countless teams have thrown a CB upfront when running out of other options, this isn't new. It's not because he's big, because he's not particularly big. It's because he's a good player, he's a centre back who has looked more than capable at right back, his crossing has been ok, his passing good, his movement down the wing has been good and getting into attacking positions. A centre back first and foremost is good at other things....... why? Because he's a good player, it's as simple as that.
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I think we put Smalling up front once late in a game and Nick has grabbed onto that and never let go.
It was a serious question, apologies if it has offended you, I also mis spell words occasionally, it comes with typing fast. Are you dyslexic?
Don't really know where you're going with this. Berbatov and Wellbeck are both taller than Yakubu and Rooney's just as strong if not stronger
If I had to guess someone's been playing Football Manager and has two beanpoles up front scoring 20+ a season.
I also play Football Manager but I thought it was supposed to improve your overall knowledge of football, not cloud it into thinking a successful football team should resort to 'boot it up to the big man'
Runningman, Do you think that Arsenal need a big lump of a striker or do you think it would be detrimental to their passing, patient football?
Bigman football can work as Toon showed got the first half of last season but we did it right. Its not playing like Bolton which doesnt work, it's using the flanks, breaking fast and putting in good crosses for a big lad who can head. It was similar to how we played in the nineties as the entertainers and it can be effective and attractive football. Using a big man is not, and should not, be an excuse for garbage hoof it up footie especially in the "best" league in the world.
It can work for some teams but a team like United and Liverpool it rarely does, you would have thought that Liverpool would have realised this with Crouch.
I remember Ian Ormondroyd and Kevin Francis, great big massive heading machines. Both played for really big clubs in their careers!
It's unfair to tar big mam football as bad football. That was Newcastle during the Entertainer years and we were the entertainers for a reason. It's not that it "couldn't" work for ManU or Liverpool it's just that there is a view brought about by clubs like Bolton and Stoke that it's bad footie and Manu/pool fans have an arrogant* view that they don't/shouldn't play this way.
* I dont mean to be nasty by that or start an arguement but it is true as I have mates from both clubs and you can see their face twist that they dobt play "good" football. Ironically enough neither club plays attractive football, certainly not ManU, itsArsenal who do and the Spanish clubs.
* I dont mean to be nasty by that or start an arguement but it is true as I have mates from both clubs and you can see their face twist that they dobt play "good" football. Ironically enough neither club plays attractive football, certainly not ManU, itsArsenal who do and the Spanish clubs.
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His distribution is very poor so is his kicking. Lost count on how many times his kicks just go straight out.
This area of his game is improving. Game against UTD was half decent. He used to take risks when on the ball this has stopped.
He is a very good keeper all the same and is improving.
The 15million I think is just to scare clubs away atm but if any offer it he would be sold.
Don't want him sold as Iv been a fan of his since he got man of the match on his debut when we played in UEFA cup. (god knows how long ago that was)
I don't support Liverpool or United so no offence taken. What I meant by 'Bolton' football is the boot it in the box at every opportunity because they have big muscley Davies who causes problems for defenders, not bad football as such but not your passing flowing movement or quick counter attacking football that the likes of Barcelona, Liverpool, United, Arsenal etc are famous for playing. It can work for some teams and good luck to them if it gets results. I'm just astounded that he thinks that's the way they should go. Even my Liverpool supporting friends said that when Carroll joined them it was the end of them trying to play football again just like when they bought Crouch.
not disputing anything you state per se, but its also true that majority of midfielders of the top sides can do /have to do more than just hoof forward, so to only have the other 1/2 of the equation possibly wouldnt work so well either
It has to be said that with a more settled (less injured) defence this season its unlikely (although not impossible) that Newcastle , for instance, would have been so successful against Utd for one .....or to put it another way in general its the teams that play well against a "bigger" team that have players linked to the shock losers
(Newcastle played well, esp in their home game against Utd, so Im not trying to discredit them at all, apologies if it reads that way)
Would Class Carrol as a target man. Needs players to play off him like Nolan did.
At least two of Newcastle's goals wouldn't of happened had Vidic been available that day. Say what you want about Vida but no one beats him in an aerial battle and the Newcastle game was one of those he'd of loved
Completely agree with you here, why someone would want a big club to play the Bolton/Stoke way is beyond me. My point was merely to say that using a big amn as a focal point of your attack does not instantly equal a poor footballing team
I would again dispute this though. Not trying to be awkward but for as long as I can remember ManU and Liverpool have neither played good, passing and flowing football for as long as I can remember. They play very effective counter attacking football but not what I would consider "good" football, effective and gets results I would not dispute but not nice football to watch beyond the occasional good player moments within that.
edit: After some consideration (and I decided to leave my original view in) the ManU/Liverpool style could be viewed as "good/beautiful" if you consider effective, win driven football. Direct (on the ground) and determined to get a goal. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
What do you mean by this? Don;t really understand and not sure if its a brain fail from me
I completely agree BUT I do think a lot more teams would get results against ManU if they got stuck into them (I don't mean Bolton get stuck in, I mean attack and pressurise them) as I think a lot of teams give them far too much respect. IMO they are now not a great team, barring City I don't think there are any great teams in the Permier League at the mo. Just City, then 5 other teams (the rest of the top 6) who are decent/good with the occasional outstanding player who makes the better than the overall squad would imply they are.
Just my opinion of course and I can imagine a few of you will disagree
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