** January Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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No1newts said:
Completely agree with you here, why someone would want a big club to play the Bolton/Stoke way is beyond me. My point was merely to say that using a big amn as a focal point of your attack does not instantly equal a poor footballing team :)



I would again dispute this though. Not trying to be awkward but for as long as I can remember ManU and Liverpool have neither played good, passing and flowing football for as long as I can remember. They play very effective counter attacking football but not what I would consider "good" football, effective and gets results I would not dispute but not nice football to watch beyond the occasional good player moments within that.

edit: After some consideration (and I decided to leave my original view in) the ManU/Liverpool style could be viewed as "good/beautiful" if you consider effective, win driven football. Direct (on the ground) and determined to get a goal. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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You obviously never saw Liverpool of the 80's then or indeed Man Utd of the 80's. Liverpool back then could pass any team in the world off the pitch and did so quite often, they were THE Barcelona back then. In stark contrast United were a kick and rush team most of the time, big bruising, hard in the tackle and would scrap their way through games. Runningman would like them to go back to that kind of approach is what I'm getting and what I was trying to say was that would be a step back for them. Yes teams need to do it from time to time but going and buying a huge forward who can stick his head on the end of crosses is a great thing to have but not for teams like Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Barcelona because their fans have seen them play beautiful football and if you have a choice you would rather your team win pretty than win by bashing people about ;)

This is of course without even entering into the tangled web that would be a Carroll transfer from Liverpool to Man Utd, who would then have to pay him pretty close to what he is on now to sit on the bench.
 
No1newts said:
I completely agree BUT I do think a lot more teams would get results against ManU if they got stuck into them (I don't mean Bolton get stuck in, I mean attack and pressurise them) as I think a lot of teams give them far too much respect
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Annoyingly that's exactly what both Pardew and Taylor admitted Newcastle did against both City and Liverpool :(
 
Weebull said:
It's a relegation clause then? Makes more sense.
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Not sure. I don't think so.

Karren Brady being bitter:

I'VE taken a number of calls from clubs asking for a reference on Demba Ba — the player who couldn't pass a medical but has scored 14 goals in 17 games.

You'll remember Demba, the one who walked out on West Ham to join Newcastle? Before he walked, we were discussing a new deal and his agents wanted a buy-out clause. We never got that far.

I often wonder if he managed to get that in his Newcastle deal.

If he did, I hope Demba shows them more loyalty than he did to David Sullivan, who took a chance on him in the first place.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4029368/Karren-Bradys-football-diary.html
 
Not really being bitter if it's the truth.

I can see him jumping ship at the end of the season anyway and it will probably be some suit from Newcastle writing something similar :D
 
Noticed that kid, Morrison was trending on Twitter. It seems he missed training and has been transfer listed by Man U. Newcastle bidded 500k and it got rejected, him and Nile Ranger together will cause a few headaches for toon
 
Hope we don't get him.

The club is, slowly, moving away from the tossers and having a bad image. Don't need another brat to come along and spoil that.
 
Andybtsn said:
Noticed that kid, Morrison was trending on Twitter. It seems he missed training and has been transfer listed by Man U. Newcastle bidded 500k and it got rejected, him and Nile Ranger together will cause a few headaches for toon
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He's been out injured since roughly that Crystal Palace match.

The rumour is that we aren't giving him a new contract just yet and the apparent reason why is because of his court order which ends in Feb whereas if he gets in trouble again he goes inside - so apparently we don't want to offer a long term if that's the case. The other rumour is that his contract runs until 2014 anyway and that we have a one year extension just the same as with Pogba.

Of course, it's all rumours and speculation though. Who knows what the actual case is.

EDIT: And to top off my speculation, here's some twitter! :D :p

Morrisons Friend 'be guted if my boi leaves united on my bday *cry face*'

Morrison '@mufctillidie79 shut up u ******.....im sat talkin wiv him now so grab a beer n pipe down'
 
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A2M said:
It was a serious question, apologies if it has offended you, I also mis spell words occasionally, it comes with typing fast. Are you dyslexic?



I also play Football Manager but I thought it was supposed to improve your overall knowledge of football, not cloud it into thinking a successful football team should resort to 'boot it up to the big man'

Runningman, Do you think that Arsenal need a big lump of a striker or do you think it would be detrimental to their passing, patient football?
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Correct me if Im wrong but they didn't sign Chamakh for his quick feet..6ft 2"...there is an article: marouane chamakh the secret behind scoring headers.

Any more awful arguments to put forward or shall we continue to circle?
 
The Running Man said:
Correct me if Im wrong but they didn't sign Chamakh for his quick feet..6ft 2"...there is an article: marouane chamakh the secret behind scoring headers.

Any more awful arguments to put forward or shall we continue to circle?
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Its worth noting that CHamakh is both crap in the air and much better with his feet.

For the majority of the time he played with RVP in his first 3-4 months he would play as a strong guy who we passed to, he'd have his back to goal holding off a defender and would pass the ball off simply to an midfielder running at the defence or RVP, occasionally back then he'd even turn the defender and run at goal, something he hasn't done in a long time.

We have neither played games where we just bang the ball long to him, nor crossed more to him than RVP or anyone else, nor changed the style of football with him playing.

Just against some defenders different types of players work differently.

He's both worse with his feet and in the air than Bendtner, slower, scores less, assists less, with worse movement, but made about 30-40k more a week than him.

He was a woeful buy from the start, because he was always going to end up on the bench in Wenger's system, he wasn't an improvement and was on a huge wage.

You improve as a team by BUYING BETTER PLAYERS. Carroll has a place, teams can even be very effective with him, I don't think he suits the players at Liverpool at all and I always thought the idea of buying Downing to cross for Carroll was rubbish, because he cuts in and shoots, or is generally crap and always was.

Before downing was there Carew, Gabby, Young were all scoring quite well, with Downing there those guys plus Heskey all couldn't score worth a damn.... which is obviously the sign of Downing's incredibly crossing ability.


I also find this "good football" is somehow different to counter attacking football argument as hilarious.

Both Barcelona and Arsenal both played high attacking, very counter attacking, creative but ultimately pacey and direct football. This isn't god damned championship manager, there is no direct, long and short option, that isn't real life, that is a few deluded coders idea of football.

Arsenal passed well, but quickly, and broke on teams. We only became this passing around to the death team slowly when, teams all sat in their own box to not give us chances to score. Our football hasn't improved, its just being tactically countered.

Same thing with Barcelona, they were a huge counter attacking side, most goals in football at all levels from all styles of teams still come from counter attacking football, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why. Calling Utd or Liverpool bad because that is what they try to do... all teams do. More teams against Barca and Arsenal try to sit behind the ball than they would against Liverpool or other teams in La liga. The less you sit behind the ball parking the bus, the more vulnerable to counter attacking you are.

ULtimately holding onto the ball while passing sideways a lot isn't entertaining, its boring. Scoring goals is what football is about, its a sport, you're supposed to win, you need to score goals to do that. Saying Utd play worse football than Arsenal is laughable. There are times, not surprisingly when Arsenal were winning titles that we played better football than Utd, for years we haven't, this year and parts of last year Utd played some horrific football....... so have Arsenal.

Right now Utd at their best aren't great, they have far too many "work horses" rather than creative, exciting to watch players.
 
I do agree that chamakh has been dissapointing, but you cant deny that wenger did try to sign someone bigger/better than he had to offer different options i.e strength on the ball and heading ability.

i wasnt saying that chamakh was a great player, just as response to A2M who thought that a team such as arsenal would never try to buy a player who wasnt carlos vela or something.

Both Barcelona and Arsenal both played high attacking, very counter attacking, creative but ultimately pacey and direct football. This isn't god damned championship manager, there is no direct, long and short option, that isn't real life, that is a few deluded coders idea of football.
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Id say that both teams are very capable of putting together large strings of quick short passing - used with patient play to control possession and strangle their opponents by forcing them to resort to playing very directly themselves.

The stats of any arsenal/barca match will show this in terms of the number of passes made (and completed). Obviously arsenal arent as good at this as say barca are because they lack that trio in the middle, revolving around Xavi, Iniesta etc.

Man Utd simply punt it long to rooney, or push it out wide to a winger, who then combined with an overlapping fullback should be able to get a cross into the box. We dont play the same short pass game, we give the ball to Nani, or formerly Ronaldo and before that Giggs to run it up the pitch and get us into the attacking zone and then throw in a cross.

Thats why we were so successful with Ronaldo in our team and less successful since his departure because he could literally pick up the ball in his own half and power into the final third and deliver a shot or something. Now we don't have this driving player of this high quality we struggle because none of the Nani's or Valencias can do this role well enough, and we haven't addressed the quality situation in the middle of the park.

But we do still have above premiership average quality in these positions, hence we average 26 crosses a game. That we score infrequently from them is such a waste. Some are bad crosses, others are crosses that the strikers we have are simply never going to win because to pick out someone smaller than a capable requires an absolute precision ball which occurs sporadically at best.

Having someone in the box who can dominate in the air and really threaten the defenders to an extent more than rooney does is what we are missing, hence i put forward the notion of using a big man strat, like Liverpool have tinkered with in terms of carroll.


Hell even City realise that you cant pack the team full of miniatures, hence they have Dzeko loitering on the bench, and before that they had Cruz...

What im suggesting is hardly re inventing the wheel like a lot of you are taking my statement to mean.
 
I would suggest that our problem is we dominate games but a crossing game does not really work if you are crossing to static strikers, regardless of how tall they are. Barcelona use width to stretch teams and then play through the space created in the middle. We were doing this with Cleverley in the side but not since he got injured.
 
Have any failed more than us playing macheda, berbatov etc and before you can say dimitar top scorer last season ill throw dzeko and his 10th goals in 10 epl matches this season. Yakubu doing very well for himself also.

Against newcastle we had 3 completed crosses out of 26. This doesn't mean that all the crosses were gack necessarily just that we have no one who is capable of regularly heading it in.

Against blackburn Nani alone put in 29 crosses! apparently? Clearly there was a situation here that we simply aren't converting the types of chance we make.

either we need to stop crossing the ball or give our wingers a realistic target to aim for.
 
Jeeez! Is he still going on about the need for a 'big man up top' and long balls?

Honestly. I'd rather pleasure myself with sandpaper stuck to my hand then watch that dross level of football.
 
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