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The Running Man said:
Oh right, so you pick up on spelling mistakes but not posts containing information that i have then shown to be wrong?

For instance?

You bought Chamakh. How about you rescind this post and admit that even free flowing teams need someone who is over 6ft that offers an opportunity to head the ball?
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You have several times failed to answer other points people have put to you ;)

Just becasue a player is over 6" doesn't mean he is a 'big target man' also, did Wenger buy Chamakh for his target man qualities or did he buy him becasue they needed a finisher and he looked the one that could do the business due to his goal ratio?

Using Chamakh as an example just proves how far from the mark you are with your idea's, like I said previously, I'm fed up with trying to discuss it with you, it's like talking to a brick wall.
 
I'm not embarrassed at all, I have a deep knowledge of the World game.

I think you need to understand genetics and the general height's of athletes - just because someone is over 6'' tall - discovered through your use of Wikipedia - and selected in their national squad, it doesn't mean their naturally a "target man", used regularly, or dominant aerially.

Giroud for instance has just two national caps, whilst Llorente has 19, in comparison to that of the 82 (and record 52 goals) of David Villa, himself only 5'9, which in itself suggests the culture of Spanish football.

Aside from Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Mario Gomez (Sweden and Germany in case Wikipedia wouldn't load for you) which top class international strikers would you suggest we should look out for as target men, who are playing regularly and scoring for their national teams?


Peter Crouch, for instance, is 6'7 and yet isn't as dominant aerially as someone like Les Ferdinand, who is only 5'11, yet was a fantastic target man.
 
A2M said:
Just becasue a player is over 6" doesn't mean he is a 'big target man'
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sandy10 said:
I think you need to understand genetics and the general height's of athletes - just because someone is over 6'' tall - discovered through your use of Wikipedia - and selected in their national squad, it doesn't mean their naturally a "target man", used regularly, or dominant aerially.
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There is a pattern forming here, I just can't quite put my finger on it.
 
If Man Utd are in such a big need of a target man, why exactly are they bothering to put crosses in?

Im pretty sure even Sir Alex Ferguson would have worked that one out by now.
 
The Running Man said:
Its embarrassing that someone would even think that the list i provided is the end all of big men, i have since added more on a per nationality basis from their CURRENT squads just to show you that even though some of the big names have gone those nations still use big guys up front in their squad somewhere.

Just because you dont know who is in the spanish team, or the french team should be an embarrassment to yourself. That you need me to provide a list of names and height because you dont know it, NOR have you even tried to find out the list for yourself, (all whilst i am at work btw not an easy task), thats embarrassing that you have been put to bed by me.
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I don't know if you guys have got a different understanding of the big guy up front but the ones you have named running man, all happen to be very good strikers and their aerial ability is not what they are known for.

I don't know if this stems from someones suggestion that Carrol would be good for us and had escalated to this current argument or what but you cannot compare the chaps you have named to someone like Carrol.

United have enough height up front, they just need better crosses to score from a lot of the time. Most crosses I have seen us play this season have been in the wrong place. Thats either the wingers or the attackers fault but having someone taller than welbeck or berbatov wouldn't alleviate that.

We need to worry about our midfield at the moment. I couldn't care less about strikers right now. Welbeck, Berbatov, Hernandez and Rooney should be fine.

I think its more of a general issue with uniteds attacking at the moment that causes problems. When we are so weak in the middle and the wings are our main outlet, we don't have the support once we get into the final third for a cross.

If we sort out the midfield and start to dominate that area, it will free up the strikers to push forward much more. Getting pretty sick of seeing Rooney in the centre of midfield because we are so pinned back.
 
Tom84 said:
Like?

It comes down to the simple fact that all he does is incite arguments, you even wanted him banned from posting in the summer transfer thread!!
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Like the petty Asda comments which have nothing to do with any debate and are just used to wind him up. I can't say I've ever noticed him respond to those pathetic comments.

And if I remember correctly, I said both him and you should be banned from the summer thread because of your constant bickering, which often had nothing to do with transfer rumours. I'm more than happy to go along with that if you like though :p
 
The Running Man said:
You bought Chamakh. How about you rescind this post and admit that even free flowing teams need someone who is over 6ft that offers an opportunity to head the ball?


You clearly know football inside and out. I posted 2 french examples over 6ft 2".

Germany - Gomez is 6ft 2.5", Klose is deceptively small 6ft but has great ariel ability.

Brasil - Leandro Damião 6ft 1.5", Fred 6ft 1.

I hope you're sat down Tummy, because i hate to tell you this, but you actually know much less than you think you know and actually less than i know. Argentina dont have a striker over 6 ft currently, but then they hardly play with wingers in a 442 shape like we do either.
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I am indeed sat down :cool:

Gomez scores tap ins, it certainly isn't his ariel ability that makes him stand out, nor indeed do you have a goal scoring record akin to his by being lucky. He's got an amazing ability to see space and look for rebounds. Go watch him play.

Damião has only had four calls ups due to injuries and PLEASE try and tell me that Brasil of all teams play or require a 'big man up top'. Go on humour me.

Fred? He who's nothing more then a bit part player for Brasil at best?

I know much less then I think? That's awesome. That's why I've been employed on a freelance basis to write about football ;)

Congratulations on naming players in national sides that are over 6 foot tall. Now can you give examples of current sides that are doing well with playing long ball football to their big man up top?

The Running Man said:
Its embarrassing that someone would even think that the list i provided is the end all of big men, i have since added more on a per nationality basis from their CURRENT squads just to show you that even though some of the big names have gone those nations still use big guys up front in their squad somewhere.

Just because you dont know who is in the spanish team, or the french team should be an embarrassment to yourself. That you need me to provide a list of names and height because you dont know it, NOR have you even tried to find out the list for yourself, (all whilst i am at work btw not an easy task), thats embarrassing that you have been put to bed by me.
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Lets talk about Spain. Did you see the FIFA World Cup 2010? Did you notice the lack of 'hoof it to the big man up top'?

Your man Llorente didn't start at all for Spain in the 09/10 He also made nothing more then a cameo appearance in the World Cup. So that passing and moving football isn't really that effective is it? Oh wait.

He's only getting in to the Spanish squad at current on the basis Torres has forgotten how to play football.

I'm pleased you've managed to name tall footballers, regardless of the style they play in, Benzema is certainly a technical footballer, so is Chamkattack (who's been a pretty terrible signing) (Side note, anyone got any stats on how many headed goals he scored at Arsenal).

You could certainly say some of these tall players do offer some threat in the air, However spouting continued levels of rubbish about how sides should 'always' have the option for 'hoof it football' :)

You keep naming Carroll, but he's terrible (on current form) and isn't doing anything with 'hoof it football' (which is a discredit to the way Liverpool play)

Funnily enough, I remember Rooney scoring a lot of headed goals with Valencia providing crosses (Again, like I said, I've always associated Manchester United with good win play)

The 'route one' or 'hoof it' football is out dated. I'm asking for a serious example of this tactic working on a European stage or World stage?
 
fez said:
I don't know if you guys have got a different understanding of the big guy up front but the ones you have named running man, all happen to be very good strikers and their aerial ability is not what they are known for.

I don't know if this stems from someones suggestion that Carrol would be good for us and had escalated to this current argument or what but you cannot compare the chaps you have named to someone like Carrol.

United have enough height up front, they just need better crosses to score from a lot of the time. Most crosses I have seen us play this season have been in the wrong place. Thats either the wingers or the attackers fault but having someone taller than welbeck or berbatov wouldn't alleviate that.

We need to worry about our midfield at the moment. I couldn't care less about strikers right now. Welbeck, Berbatov, Hernandez and Rooney should be fine.

I think its more of a general issue with uniteds attacking at the moment that causes problems. When we are so weak in the middle and the wings are our main outlet, we don't have the support once we get into the final third for a cross.

If we sort out the midfield and start to dominate that area, it will free up the strikers to push forward much more. Getting pretty sick of seeing Rooney in the centre of midfield because we are so pinned back.
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This.

Manchester United's problem isn't the lack of big man up top. It's the lack of a creative force in midfield.

Valencia, Nani, Young are all certainly capable of supplying the forwards with good crosses or pull backs.

United look less effective up top in recent times due to the effort Rooney and Berba have to put in coming deep to get the ball of the midfield.

Manchester United are fine as they are in terms of Goalkeeping, Defence and forwards. They lack imagination and spark in midfield and lack a midfielder in the mould of say Lucas at Liverpool.
 
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