The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

[ALXAndy]

That's because their method of doing score is weighting performance vs feature vs value...without the proper pricing, how can they give a score?

And I don't know why you think pricing don't matter. Take the 7770 for example...if it was priced at around £70-£80, then it is a great card; at £130+...it is poo.

Absolutely. And that is why BT explained that they couldn't get too excited, or too upset about the card. They simply said that it did perform well, but refused to get caught out playing a guessing game.

That isn't what AMD wanted though. They wanted the card proper bo bigged up and that's why they handed them out for testing and reviews.

I just wanted to make that clear before any green person accuses me of being a fan boy. AMD are almost as bad as Nvidia and stretching the truth.

 

[Surveyor]

ATI beat on performance/watt, performance/mm2

Isn't the most important one performance/£?

For that we'll have to wait and see.

 

[stulid]

Thousands upon thousands of Nvidiots have now made their mind up. Long before any truth comes around.

Official reviews from multiple sites will be available before the cards are released for sale.

What is your actual problem? you actually sound like some huge ATI fanboi with your posts.

 

[ALXAndy]

Isn't the most important one performance/£?

For that we'll have to wait and see.

Of course it is, because money talks and BS walks.

 

[ALXAndy]

Oh hang on. What was the last drip of information to come from Nvidia?


One 680 is actually faster than THREE 580s put together !

lmfao. I think they need to wipe their lip, they have some scat on it.

 

[LeJosh]

Official reviews from multiple sites will be available before the cards are released for sale.

What is your actual problem? you actually sound like some huge ATI fanboi with your posts.

Poor to see that opinion being thrown around by an underboss.

Because he dislikes how NV have been working he's an ATI fanboi? As you so eloquently put.

And I must say, people getting seriously testy about this release.

 

[dave_beast]

The reviews out so far have more holes than Swiss cheese at a firing range.

 

[Duff-Man]

Oh hang on. What was the last drip of information to come from Nvidia?


One 680 is actually faster than THREE 580s put together !

lmfao. I think they need to wipe their lip, they have some scat on it.

Come on, where on earth has that been said?

The only even vaguely related item was a demo of the "Samaritan" demo on the Unreal 3 engine. It was shown running on a single Kepler card using a new AA formulation. The first time the demo was shown (around a year ago) it was using three GTX580s.

There was NO statement that the more recently shown demo was running faster, and there was certainly NO statement that the new Kepler GPU would be faster than the tri-580 setup in any context (even in this particular demo with the new AA method). You're putting words into Nvidia's mouth, and then stating that they're wrong!


I honestly don't understand why you're so determined to bring down this GPU...

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This card is not the new GTX580. It is the new GTX560 but has simply been remained the GTX680 because of it's circa 80-100% performance boost over the 560's. NVidia thinks that it's mainstream card is good enough to wear a top-end name tag and compete with the 7970. In pure apples for apples terms, the performance leap appears immense.

Last time I heard this card was a GTX680 and being priced at a similar level to other Nvidia high end cards. Hence the GTX580 to GTX680 transition is the most important metric.

People in the GTX480 thread were saying power consumption was of no concern too(it is for me though being a SFF PC fan). I am very excited to see how the GTX660TI and HD7870 do against each other.

 

[ALXAndy]

Come on, where on earth has that been said?

The only even vaguely related item was a demo of the "Samaritan" demo on the Unreal 3 engine. It was shown running on a single Kepler card using a new AA formulation. The first time the demo was shown (around a year ago) it was using three GTX580s.

There was NO statement that the more recently shown demo was running faster, and there was certainly NO statement that the new Kepler GPU would be faster than the tri-580 setup in any context (even in this particular demo with the new AA method). You're putting words into Nvidia's mouth, and then stating that they're wrong!


I honestly don't understand why you're so determined to bring down this GPU...

I'm not determined to bring down this GPU.

How many people used their right to free speech to **** on the 7970's parade?

As for the three 580s, the title of that article was "Nvidia Kepler beats three 580s" or something like that. And it did. With a new version of the code, in specific circumstances. Where was that clearly pointed out though? it wasn't, was it? it was left for people to think about.

I have said above that AMD are just as guilty. In fact, they sent out two cards for review and it was a vapour release. Where the hell ARE the 7850 and 7870 to buy? as the days roll past nothing is happening, and they are not available to buy.

So was that done deliberately to show what they had coming, yet wasn't anywhere near being available? of course.

I'm just calling a spade a spade. I do that with everything. Want to know how great my 7970 is? Well, not only have I wanted to cut it in half and smash it with a hammer this week but I have also made my thoughts clear on how bad I think the drivers are.

So the only thing I can be accused of is being a party pooper, right? Then good. If I thought for one moment those benchmarks were fair and just then I would be getting just as excited as others seem to be. But they are just completely biased and loaded. That is just a fact I'm afraid.

I want Kepler to be good. I want Kepler to be truly good

I don't want Kepler to be good, if viewed from a certain angle, at a certain time of day, running a certain game and on a certain set of test equipment.

Does that seem fair to you?

 

[ALXAndy]

Epic Demonstration Suggests a Single Kepler GPU is Faster than Three GeForce GTX 580s

http://hothardware.com/News/Epic-De...er-GPU-is-Faster-than-Three-GeForce-GTX-580s/

See? now I am usually quite an excitable chap who likes to eat up a bit of hype. But IMO that is quite clearly crap taken too far.

 

[Duff-Man]

Epic Demonstration Suggests a Single Kepler GPU is Faster than Three GeForce GTX 580s

http://hothardware.com/News/Epic-De...er-GPU-is-Faster-than-Three-GeForce-GTX-580s/

See? now I am usually quite an excitable chap who likes to eat up a bit of hype. But IMO that is quite clearly crap taken too far.

... Is a headline from some random hardware site, not a statement from Nvidia! Surely you can understand the difference

You need to differentiate between the two - especially if you're going to be going on about "right to free speech" and all that. Hardware sites have "a right" to spout unsubstantiated rubbish all they like, when it comes to unreleased products. If Nvidia make such claims about their upcoming hardware then it's a whole different kettle of fish.

 

[ALXAndy]

... Is a headline from some random hardware site, not a statement from Nvidia! Surely you can understand the difference

You need to differentiate between the two - especially if you're going to be going on about "right to free speech" and all that. Hardware sites have "a right" to spout unsubstantiated rubbish all they like, when it comes to unreleased products. If Nvidia make such claims about their upcoming hardware then it's a whole different kettle of fish.

It was the same title when used to repost the article on near on every bloody hardware based web site on the internet.

It's called - a rumour mill. Note Nvidia didn't step in and say it wasn't true did they?

As for Nvidia making claims? Let's put it this way.

In the U.K if you make false claims and use loaded or biased advertising it gets removed and you get slapped with a fine.

In China? that doesn't happen. One way or the other as I pointed out when explaining how an NDA works Nvidia not only knew those benchmarks were going live with those pictures and photos but they clearly endorsed and allowed it.

And now? it's world wide. Even us, on this small little tiny island here at OCUK at the farthest corners of the internet have seen it.

Initial reaction? "WOW LOOK AT THOSE BF3 SCORES !".

Talk about playing right into their hands.

Then you have the opposite. Some one who didn't find it terribly exciting and is a bit more interested in the truth and what Kepler can REALLY DO.

 

[ALXAndy]

types of permissible disclosure - such as those required by law or court order (many NDAs require the receiving party to give the disclosing party prompt notice of any efforts to obtain such disclosure, and possibly to cooperate with any attempt by the disclosing party to seek judicial protection for the relevant confidential information).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement

 

[andybird123]

Guys, ALX Andy is clearly a troll of the highest order
he keeps posting deliberately inflammatory and contradictory arguments and even posts links saying graphics card x was 150 and y was 450 but the same when the links show one was 19FPS and the other 100fps in the same game

he is deliberately misquoting, misconstruing and misrepresenting everything he says

as far as trolls go, 66 pages is a good "score"

 

[Duff-Man]

It was the same title when used to repost the article on near on every bloody hardware based web site on the internet.

It's called - a rumour mill. Note Nvidia didn't step in and say it wasn't true did they?

Nvidia have, so far, said (virtually) nothing about their upcoming product. And they won't before the release date. They are no more likely to step in and say that the implied headlines of a few hardware sites are incorrect than they are to say that the Semi|Accurate claims of sub-Pitcairn performance are wrong...

I don't mind you being critical - critical analysis of a product is important. But you seem to be blaming Nvidia for every rumour started by anyone on the internet Yes, we all want to see official benchmarks, but we won't until the NDA date. And this is the way things always are... Before this date people speculate and speculate, and the manufacturers say very little. What random internet denizens choose to spout in the meantime is nothing to do with the manufacturer - be it AMD or Nvidia.

One way or the other as I pointed out when explaining how an NDA works Nvidia not only knew those benchmarks were going live with those pictures and photos but they clearly endorsed and allowed it.

... Again, you have no reason to assume that Nvidia "endorsed" those benchmarks, or knew that they were going to be released. Your argument that prosecution is difficult in China only adds weight to the argument that they are released by an NDA holder who was not yet authorised to release the information...

 

[ALXAndy]

Guys, ALX Andy is clearly a troll of the highest order
he keeps posting deliberately inflammatory and contradictory arguments and even posts links saying graphics card x was 150 and y was 450 but the same when the links show one was 19FPS and the other 100fps in the same game

he is deliberately misquoting, misconstruing and misrepresenting everything he says

as far as trolls go, 66 pages is a good "score"

Oh goody ! it's troll time

Nowhere in my comparison did I say that the Voodoo 3 3000 was faster or anywhere near as fast as the Geforce 2. My point (which seemed to go over your head, like many other things I have said today) was that Nvidia were the ones to set the bar for desktop based GPU solution prices.

OK? that make sense? 3DFX charged prices FAR LESS than Nvidia started to. It was Nvidia who changed all of that because before that? Voodoo card? around £80 for a 1mb. Voodoo 2? £150-180. Voodoo 3? £130 ish.

So don't take what I say out of context and then twist it around to suit. OK? that just makes you look incapable of understanding what I was saying.

So if anyone is misconstruing and then twisting information around it is you. I was showing prices, you then go on to bring up FPS. Maybe had you been around in 2000 you could have made an argument as to why Nvidia were right to charge (for the first time ever) over $400 for a graphics card considering no one else in the desktop market had.

Maybe it was worth it? maybe it wasn't. Doesn't matter.

 

[Stanners]

I am still waiting for some information he stated as fact many pages ago.

Edit: for clarity axlandy, regarding nvidia's financial loss.

 

[bee]

Guys, ALX Andy is clearly a troll of the highest order
he keeps posting deliberately inflammatory and contradictory arguments and even posts links saying graphics card x was 150 and y was 450 but the same when the links show one was 19FPS and the other 100fps in the same game

he is deliberately misquoting, misconstruing and misrepresenting everything he says

as far as trolls go, 66 pages is a good "score"

pretty much, forums got an ignore function for a reason though

 

[spankingtexan]

The fact it's been pulled already BEFORE IT CAN BE QUESTIONED says it all.

Thousands upon thousands of Nvidiots have now made their mind up. Long before any truth comes around.

Bold mother ****** claim Nvidia. Let's see if it comes to fruition.

That's a great looking card, can't wait to get mine.