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The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

Stanners said:
I am still waiting for some information he stated as fact many pages ago.

Edit: for clarity axlandy, regarding nvidia's financial loss.
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You mean you want facts and figures I don't have access to?

Fermi was a fail. They were kicked out of the motherboard market and no longer make any. That comes at a cost.

A loss, even. Bad products do not make you tons of money.
 
In defence of Andy, he just hates everything. :D j/k He does make some valid points though and he is entitled to his opinion like all of us.

Even if we don't agree, we can skip past but being honest, it does make for interseting reading, especially when I am at work and have a few hours to kill.

I bet like a few of us Nvidiots though ;) we just want to see it released as we have been waiting for quite some time. I for one want one and probably will be getting one on the 28th (pay day) but for now, I am enjoying the speculation and any info Cat/Stulid and anyone else can find.

Crack on guys. "Need more input" NEED MORE INPUT"
 
LambChop said:
Hurry up Kepler.

Can't believe I've added andy to my ignore list either lol, I feel kinda naughty, but he's a kid and has serious attitude issues.
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If by issues you mean -

I have pointed out that those benchmarks are loaded in Nvidia's favour.

That Nvidia know they are there, and allowed them to be posted.

That pretty much every last part of them doesn't add up to be fair by any means.

Then yes, I have loads of issues and you're better off putting me on ignore as you may find what I say upsetting.
 
The BF3 chart has been corrected.

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http://www.hkepc.com/database/images/2012/03/source/1702470727834307124.png
 
ALXAndy said:
If by issues you mean -

I have pointed out that those benchmarks are loaded in Nvidia's favour.

That Nvidia know they are there, and allowed them to be posted.

That pretty much every last part of them doesn't add up to be fair by any means.

Then yes, I have loads of issues and you're better off putting me on ignore as you may find what I say upsetting.
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Even if true this is purely conjecture.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The BF3 chart has been corrected.

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss33/CAT-THE-FIFTH/1702470727834307124.png[IMG]

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Thats odd, you wouldn't expect Nvidia to allow that graph to be posted as it shows little benefit in a title that Nvidia cards are known to perform better in than ATI counterparts.

If Nvidia knew and allowed this early preview to go ahead as claimed:D:p
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Rroff said:
Even if true this is purely conjecture.
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Having been under numerous NDAs, and still under one now I can promise you they know all about it. If they didn't when they got out of bed this morning then they do now.

They're not stupid, and they have access to the internet.

You know, if (and it's a very big if) they allowed at least one of those benchmarks to be fair and not be completely loaded in their favour? that's fine.

You know? how if something seems too good to be true it usually is.

It's basically like if ATI used only STALKER Call of Pripyat as a demonstration of their cards they would have beaten Nvidia every time. That game was clearly loaded in favour of ATI and every one seemed to be capable of understanding that.

The bottom line is that Nvidia know about those benchmarks because they allowed them to be put there. If they didn't then by now they would have been taken down and a cease and desist placed on the website whilst they prepare their lawyers.
 
stulid said:
Thats odd, you wouldn't expect Nvidia to allow that graph to be posted as it shows little benefit in a title that Nvidia cards are known to perform better in than ATI counterparts.

If Nvidia knew and allowed this early preview to go ahead as claimed:D:p
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Relative to the GTX580 those HD7970 numbers look high,ie, around 30% as at launch the best numbers I saw were around 10% to 20% or even less:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/12/22/amd-radeon-hd-7970-3gb-review/5

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-benchmark-tahiti-gcn,3104-7.html

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s/49646-amd-radeon-hd-7970-3gb-review-13.html

It seems to very dependent on what part of the SP mission was used for benchmarking.

I wonder if the newer drivers and other optimisations in the game have meant that overall HD7970 performance has gotten better??
 
ALXAndy said:
Alright just to show what I mean. Let's rewind back twelve years.

http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/video/creative_ultra/

See? Nvidia were already coming up with the dumb names. "Ultra" and "super duper" and all that bolacks.

How much then? $430.

So how much, at the same moment in time, did the Voodoo 3 3000 cost?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/24906/3dfx_voodoo3_3000.html

$150. LMFAO I rest my case.

You want some one to blame for GPU pricing? get out your green tinted glasses. Up until that time NO desktop GPU cost even remotely close to what Nvidia decided to charge.

The hilarity was that in those days there wasn't even a FPS tool available so it was mostly hype and hot air.

Something Nvidia have proven bloody good at.
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to me, this reads that you are suggesting that performance wise there was no advantage to having the 450 dollar card over the 150 dollar card

but the links you posted show that the 450 dollar card was 3 times the price but 5 times the performance and played the latest games at over 100fps which was a massive jump at the time, in fact price/performance that nvidia card is massively better value compare to the voodoo3

this is the opposite of todays situation where each increase in price is a diminishing return and the best value cards tend to be the midrange cards which if you get 2 give you more performance for the same cost

your entire argument in what you posted was self defeating, and yet now you repost and misquote yourself and me and make out that I was insulting you for pointing that out, when obviously you know full well that that is what you are doing purely to get a response

and if anyone dares to suggest that the 680 *might* be better value than the 7970 you call them an nvidiot, or for equally flimsy reasons you'll start laying in to AMD if it contradicts what someone else has said
I've just checked back and I've not insulted you, thinly veiled or otherwise, only pointed out how you will happily contradict yourself purely in the interests of getting someone to argue with you pointlessly

I find 90% of your posts heavily inaccurate (like your claim that 8xFSAA is a blurry mess when it is actually the highest IQ version of AA) and on this thread which is supposed to be about information or speculation on Kepler you keep going off on one at nvidia for things that they haven't even said or done like they owe you personally for something, saying that GTX680 is not going to be faster than 7970 and that it's going to be really expensive you know neither for fact and your insistence on replying to every single other comment so that on some pages it's 50% ALXAndy... i mean are you just trying to get your post count up, or trying to get this thread to 100 pages or... what?
because most of what you keep saying you just keep on saying again and again and yeah I'm bored of reading that so I have put you on ignore, unfortuneately the ignore function doesn't work very well as clearly I've just spotted your 5 year old tantrum at me for pointing that you keep arguing with yourself and anyone who replies to you
 
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ALXAndy said:
Having been under numerous NDAs, and still under one now I can promise you they know all about it. If they didn't when they got out of bed this morning then they do now.

They're not stupid, and they have access to the internet.

You know, if (and it's a very big if) they allowed at least one of those benchmarks to be fair and not be completely loaded in their favour? that's fine.

You know? how if something seems too good to be true it usually is.

It's basically like if ATI used only STALKER Call of Pripyat as a demonstration of their cards they would have beaten Nvidia every time. That game was clearly loaded in favour of ATI and every one seemed to be capable of understanding that.

The bottom line is that Nvidia know about those benchmarks because they allowed them to be put there. If they didn't then by now they would have been taken down and a cease and desist placed on the website whilst they prepare their lawyers.
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I know all about NDAs and that has very little relevance to if they let that data leak or not - contrary to what you seem to believe plenty of people do leak information whilest under NDA without permission even tho it is unwise and can lead to legal repercussions.
 
I don't see what experience with NDAs has to do with any of this. It's all conjectural. I've signed plenty of NDAs over time and there is always someone somewhere who makes a mistake or leaks something before they should. Signing an NDA doesn't make it impossible for people to do this.

A company is only likely to pursue legal action if it thinks it hurts it and damages can be recovered.
 
ALXAndy said:
I'm just calling a spade a spade. I do that with everything. Want to know how great my spade is? Well, not only have I wanted to cut it in half and smash it with a spade this week but I have also made my thoughts clear on how bad I think the spades are.
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Fixed :)
 
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