The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread

chameleon · 29 Jun 2012 at 19:58

It still seems pretty straightforward. If newco rangers get fired straight into the SPL, there HAS to be strings attached for such preferential treatment. On the other hand, start at the bottom like any other new club, the slate is wiped clean and they can work their way up.

I can also see major cash flow problems for them as the fans are unlikely to buy season tickets til they know where they are going to play. I wouldn't want to pay £500 to see 3rd div football.

McMav · 29 Jun 2012 at 20:53

Moza said:
Doncaster and Ogilvie must surely go.

Time also must be running out for this newco to get sorted for next season. We are what 4? 5? weeks away from kickoff of next season. This all needs sorted very quickly.

Wouldn't be surprised if no form of Rangers is in any league next season.

As should Regan. He is a joke and an embarrassment.

Metalface Mark · 29 Jun 2012 at 22:23

McMav said:
As should Regan. He is a joke and an embarrassment.

Add longmuir to the list too, everyone one of them is part of the self preservation society.

lordfletch · 29 Jun 2012 at 23:58

chameleon said:
It still seems pretty straightforward. If newco rangers get fired straight into the SPL, there HAS to be strings attached for such preferential treatment. On the other hand, start at the bottom like any other new club, the slate is wiped clean and they can work their way up.

I can also see major cash flow problems for them as the fans are unlikely to buy season tickets til they know where they are going to play. I wouldn't want to pay £500 to see 3rd div football.

major cash flow problems for rangers in the third div

, watch spl teams fold mate ,sky does want to pay x amount for spl dross.

chameleon · 30 Jun 2012 at 06:04

Well if it makes them all live within their means then that can't be a bad thing. If a clubs finances are that precarious that they can't afford to lose the money Rangers bring in then they deserve a kick up the butt. Rangers themselves have certainly found out the hard way.
SPL dross? I reckon the old firm are just floating on top of the turd tank.

Robert1986 · 30 Jun 2012 at 14:02

Had some crazy drunk people outside my house last night screaming "RANGERS ARE IN DIVISION THREE, RANGERS ARE IN DIVISION THREE, RANGERS ARE IN DIVISION THREE."

Sad to see Rangers going... SPL is dead.

chameleon · 30 Jun 2012 at 14:29

Sad to see Rangers going... SPL is dead.

It is probably that sorta self centered, "we're too big to fail" attitude that makes people dislike Rangers so much.
Mind you, SPL has been dead for years due to the old firm dominance.

lordfletch · 30 Jun 2012 at 15:54

chameleon said:
It is probably that sorta self centered, "we're too big to fail" attitude that makes people dislike Rangers so much.
Mind you, SPL has been dead for years due to the old firm dominance.

i dont know if you realise this but plenty of rangers fans want to start again in divison 3, the ramifications of this wont just be suffered by rangers alone and in many ways it seems the best option for us ,without being vindictive whatsoever.

Moza · 30 Jun 2012 at 16:17

Good statement released by Clyde today http://www.clydefc.co.uk/news/2012/06/30/4134/ on the farce that is occuring just now.

If 99% of fans want Ranger's Newco to start in Division 3 and a large majority of old Rangers fans want to aswell, why are we going through all these last ditch cons to get them into Division 1 / SPL?

McMav · 30 Jun 2012 at 16:33

Moza said:
Good statement released by Clyde today http://www.clydefc.co.uk/news/2012/06/30/4134/ on the farce that is occuring just now.

If 99% of fans want Ranger's Newco to start in Division 3 and a large majority of old Rangers fans want to aswell, why are we going through all these last ditch cons to get them into Division 1 / SPL?

Simples the spl chairmen think they can last one season without Rangers and are also trying to save sky deal. It's already been reported Rangers to division three costs them 16 million a year. Like we all said Turkeys voted for Christmas under pressure from their fans. St Mirren chairman already said wage bill needs cut no new players in and backroom staff will go to try and balance the books.

chameleon · 30 Jun 2012 at 16:35

It's the balancing act between keeping the fans happy and keeping the money.
It can't be both I'm afraid.

I do agree with you Fletch, Rangers will be out of Europe for at least three years so it don't really matter what league they are in. Presumably Div 3 will mean no further sanctions and they can use the years to rebuild their squad.

Moza · 30 Jun 2012 at 16:57

I don't believe the £16 mill quoted in that shambles of a document created by that corrupt fool Ogilvie.

As for save the Sky deal, the contract is until the end of the 2016/17 season. What exactly would Sky replace SPL with anyway? Scaremongering by west coast media as usual.

Do the Rangers fans want entry into Division 3 because it is the correct thing to do or to spite the SPL clubs?

semi-pro waster · 30 Jun 2012 at 17:07

Moza said:
Do the Rangers fans want entry into Division 3 because it is the correct thing to do or to spite the SPL clubs?

Couldn't it be both? There's probably a nice level of synchronicity for Rangers fans in that they could desire the right thing to do and because it is likely to negatively affect other clubs.

chameleon · 30 Jun 2012 at 17:21

When did friendly rivalry become so bitter and turn into "screw the other guys at all cost"?

McMav · 30 Jun 2012 at 17:28

chameleon said:
When did friendly rivalry become so bitter and turn into "screw the other guys at all cost"?

Welcome to Scottish football. It's been like that for a long long time.

lordfletch · 30 Jun 2012 at 18:32

Moza said:
I don't believe the £16 mill quoted in that shambles of a document created by that corrupt fool Ogilvie.

As for save the Sky deal, the contract is until the end of the 2016/17 season. What exactly would Sky replace SPL with anyway? Scaremongering by west coast media as usual.

Do the Rangers fans want entry into Division 3 because it is the correct thing to do or to spite the SPL clubs?

ogilvie is anything but a fool ,whats this corruption you accuse cambell ogilvie of ? (im sure his lawyers would like to know the answer to this as well

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placeholder · 30 Jun 2012 at 21:45

Robert1986 said:
Had some crazy drunk people outside my house last night screaming "RANGERS ARE IN DIVISION THREE, RANGERS ARE IN DIVISION THREE, RANGERS ARE IN DIVISION THREE."

Sad to see Rangers going... SPL is dead.

The SPL is alive. Rangers committed suicide.

The problem is the people who seem to be treating it like "Weekend at Bernies" and are pimping the Rangers corpse around everywhere pretending nothing has actually happened and everything will be ok.

lordfletch · 30 Jun 2012 at 22:03

placeholder said:
The SPL is alive. Rangers committed suicide.

The problem is the people who seem to be treating it like "Weekend at Bernies" and are pimping the Rangers corpse around everywhere pretending nothing has actually happened and everything will be ok.

the spl maybe breathing but its far from well, its already starting to implode,as for rangers we struggle on.

placeholder · 30 Jun 2012 at 22:12

lordfletch said:
the spl maybe breathing but its far from well, its already starting to implode,as for rangers we struggle on.

And so you should.

The SPL clubs are adamant about what should happen here. Lets be in no doubt about that. Cloths should be cut accordingly rather than souls being sold.

Things will change regardless of what League The Rangers are playing in next season. The damage has already been done in that respect. Letting The Rangers in through a back door will only compound that damage.

lordfletch · 30 Jun 2012 at 22:57

placeholder said:
And so you should.

The SPL clubs are adamant about what should happen here. Lets be in no doubt about that. Cloths should be cut accordingly rather than souls being sold.

Things will change regardless of what League The Rangers are playing in next season. The damage has already been done in that respect. Letting The Rangers in through a back door will only compound that damage.

theres also the police investigation into whytes conduct at rangers,if whytes found guilty of fraud ,then this changes everything.( im aware of the time scale and how complex fraud trials are) maybe the spl should wait until it knows the outcome of the police investigation ?