New Canon full frame?

Its just the way you put things across, you put it as though all other brands can't take a photo, period.

You make it sound like D700's AF is so good that you never fails to take a photo with it and that if one even merely attempts to shoot one the outer points with a 5Dii the thing will instantaneously explode in your hand.

You make it sounds like D7000, D800's sensor is so good you can push and pull like a yo-yo with no consequence.

You make it sound like the Nikon system line up is so great that there are zero holes.

You make it sound like their lenses are so clear that the other manufacturers might as well give up.

More still, you make it sound like none of the other makes can do 1/100th of that and they might as well use a lego camera if not buy a Nikon.

You make it sound like that one shouldn't even consider anything else but Nikon.

You know, with that amazing AF that snaps in any situation, the ability to push and pull a photo at 5 stops, a resolution so great that you can crop like never before.

Who needs a photographer? Just point the D800 vaguely at the subject, ignore any exposure setting and hit the shutter. No doubt it'll hit focus, you can pull it back in post and crop it to perfect composition.

It is that good!

Sorry, that's the impression you give when you go on about Nikon.

(I might have exaggerated a little bit there but you get my drift)
 
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Ksanti said:
I'm not challenging you, but do you think you actually need the dynamic range, auto ISO and autofocus abilities of the Nikon system, and that they're truly indispensable, or do you just use them because they're available?
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I suppose the answer is the same as "Do you need a mobile phone"?
I remember a time when hardly anyone had a mobile phone, they just seemed like an expensive luxury but good in case of emergencies. Roll on X number of years and I know people who've completely altered their business practices to take into account the advantages of having mobile phones.
The mobile phone made it possible to talk on the go or even more useful, to be able to talk while working. Now there was probably a time when this guy didn't think he needed a mobile phone as well.
 
An Exception said:
I suppose the answer is the same as "Do you need a mobile phone"?
I remember a time when hardly anyone had a mobile phone, they just seemed like an expensive luxury but good in case of emergencies. Roll on X number of years and I know people who've completely altered their business practices to take into account the advantages of having mobile phones.
The mobile phone made it possible to talk on the go or even more useful, to be able to talk while working. Now there was probably a time when this guy didn't think he needed a mobile phone as well.
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mobile phones also gives me the ability to read the last few pages of this thread and fall asleep :D
 
Raymond Lin said:
Its just the way you put things across, you put it as though all other brands can't take a photo, period.

You make it sounds like D7000, D800's sensor is so good you can push and pull like a yo-yo with no consequence.
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I think that's just your interpretation rather than what I'm actually saying.
Most of the time, higher end features simply make the job at hand easier, not un-imposable. However there are a couple of scenarios where the D7000/D800 made possible what wasn't before due it's DR.

Raymond Lin said:
You make it sound like D700's AF is so good that you never fails to take a photo with it and that if one even merely attempts to shoot one the outer points with a 5Dii the thing will instantaneously explode in your hand.
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Well the D800 is having it's share of AF issues which I have acknowledged, and hope they are soon resolved. However it's the low light stuff where Canon AF just isn't up to par even with Canon's new 61 point AF system.
As I shoot in low light, this is a deal breaker for me.

Below 5Diii Vs D7000 (D700 is a fair bit better in low light than D7K)
 
That test proves nothing in real world terms as you'd always fire an auto focus assist light in that situation as even when the D7000 did achieve focus, it took ages. Most living subjects would have moved lol. I highly doubt that the D700 autofocus system would do much better than that, especially faster than what was shown.

Utterly pointless video due to the points above.
 
That's my point! Everytime I make a comment, you go and find a quote, stat or video to prove how good Nikon is against Canon.

I get it, they are the *best, I don't need convincing...what do you think will happen with these videos? People will immedately sell their current set up and jump to nikon? What is it you are trying to prove? No one is disputing any of the technical stuff, you even said you are not a resolution whore but deep down I think you are, you are obessed with these tests and numbers, how they compare to each other, I am curious as to why. You already bought into a system, I don't see you changing, what does it matter how good it is compare to another camera? What does it matter what does the test chart say?

I don't watch these videos, all I ask is if my gear up to the job, what is the next replacement. Will that do the job. I don't ponder what the other side of the fence offers, it is of no relevance to me. Did you know when I found out the existence of the D800?

About 2 weeks after it was released, on Facebook, when a photographer found out Nikon used clips of his video in their world promotion video in the D800 launch in Thailand.

He shoots Canon 5Dii btw.

That's how uninterested i am in what Nikon does. I find it harlirious how much you care how good your gear is against the competition.

I just care more about the photos.

*i don't believe that to be 100% true.
 
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James J said:
That test proves nothing in real world terms as you'd always fire an auto focus assist light in that situation as even when the D7000 did achieve focus, it took ages. Most living subjects would have moved lol. I highly doubt that the D700 autofocus system would do much better than that, especially faster than what was shown.

Utterly pointless video due to the points above.
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Unfortunately the points above were made on a whim with nothing to back them up. Firstly, if your in a dim reception, AF assist lamps intrude and draw attention to you. Secondly, allot of the time people are stood around talking, that's plenty of time acquire focus. Lastly, have you used a D7K + D700 to compare?
Well I have, and the lowlight AF ability of the D700 actually impressed me over the D7000.

Utterly pointless post, due to points above.
 
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An Exception said:
Unfortunately the points above were made on a whim with nothing to back them up. Firstly, if your in a dim reception, AF assist lamps intrude and draw attention to you. Secondly, allot of the time people are stood around talking, that's plenty of time acquire focus. Lastly, have you used a D7K + D700 to compare?
Well I have, and the lowlight AF ability of the D700 actually impressed me over the D7000.

Utterly pointless post, due to points above.
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Have you ever used a 5D mk iii to compare? Nope, same to you :)
 
Tysonator said:
So what is so bad about the 7D AA filter ! ? :(
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It just has a stronger than typical AA filter, reducing the effective resolution of the supposed 18MP sensor. This is not a big deal when printed smaller but shows softness at 100% pixel peeping.

Some cameras have much weaker AA filters, my old D70 had a very weak filter and gave very sharp images straight from the camera, but occasionally moire was visible.
 
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So what is so bad about the 7D AA filter ! ? :(
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It's supposedly quite strong which leads to a slight loss in sharpness,
its only when you zoom right in that its slightly noticeable but I try to keep away from the pixel peeping disease (that way lies madness ;) )


Regards Simon
 
Tysonator said:
So what is so bad about the 7D AA filter ! ? :(
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http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=2156.0

My Main issue isn't with sharpness, but with loss of micro contrast, thus creating a muddy image. You don't need to zoom 100% to see this.
 
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Excellent post from 'An Exception' There's nothing like seeing the difference between the best crop sensors of today compared to the 18MP one Canon has been using for almost 3 years in multiple cameras. I've just sold my 60D and 17-85mm kit lens as I'm eagerly awaiting the new range of sensors in the forthcoming 70D and what I assume will be the upgrade to full frame for the successor to the 7D. Not sure what they'll call that one? I do fancy the move to full frame though. I'm a bit worried the new 'full frame' won't be as good as the sensor in the 5D Mark III. If it's the same sensor then I'll happily buy it. What I am debating is whether to gamble and buy the Canon 5D Mark II as that's still an excellent full frame sensor and camera. The debate for me is whether the proposed new full frame will be better than the Mark II sensor. There's conflicting information on various websites that it will be a 1.3 crop sensor with a high burst rate designed to take over from the 7D for sports and wildlife enthusiasts, and other sites say it'll be the 5D Mark III sensor with a smaller viewfinder and other features disabled. I personally hope it's a got the Mark III sensor. That will sell to a lot of people upgrading from the 60D and 7D which are 3 year old 1.6 crop sensors showing their age. I'm more or less stuck with Canon as I have an 85MM Mark II 1.2 and a 50mm Canon prime as well. I don't want the hassle of selling those at a big loss otherwise I'd jump ship to Nikon. Another disappointing 'full frame' release which doesn't hit the spot and I'll give in and move to a full frame Nikon (D800 or D600 and get one decent lens for it).
 
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Some interesting read regarding the 7D AA, so is there any way of turning down the AA on the 7D ! ?

I do not fancy selling my 7D and reinvesting in its replacement !
 
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