"Our attempts to make Formula One greener is ruining the sport" - Bernie Ecclestone

lucarocks92 said:
OMG please bring that V12 the sound is so epic!!!!!!!
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It also has nothing to do with current road car trends and would have resulted in Renault pulling out and Honda not coming back. Mercedes and Ferrari have both previously said they cannot afford and nor would they want to supply engines to half the field. Imagine a situation where the Mercedes board is made of half new members in two or three years time and they then decide to withdraw from F1 with immediate effect as Honda did in the past. And Ford/Jaguar did previously. As Renault have done previously. And Toyota too. Manufacturers come and go as they please but even still F1 NEEDS them for engines. The day F1 becomes only a two engine formula is the day F1 is in perilous and very real danger. As it stands thanks to the change in engine formula Renault have stayed, next year Honda are back and in 2016 Honda will offer customer engines to other teams as well. Thanks to a change in engine formula F1 has gone from potentially two engine manufacturers to four in the space of three years. It HAD to change, REGARDLESS of your thoughts on the sound, the spectacle, the noise, the volume, how inane the commentary was when Schumacher was winning the title with four or five races to go and how everyone started switching off. If you like the big noisy engines go and watch a Euroboss meeting and be deafened for a day.
 
adam cool dude said:
I would have thought the main reason in the drop of TV ratings is the fact the majority of F1 teams are UK based and now UK F1 is not free to view.
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UK TV viewers for Malaysia this year was down on last year, but up compared to 2012. But the UK market is tiny, around 5% of global figures. The fluctuation in Chinese viewers year on year in more than the whole UK market in its entirety (they lost 30m viewers last year due to broadcaster changes).

The Luca quote references 'Europe' as a market rather than the whole audience. I can't remember the exact figures but Europe only accounts for about 30% of the global audience.

You just need to be aware of the scope when looking at viewing figures. The UK drop this year was around 800,000, which is almost insignificant on a global scale.
 
MissChief said:
If you like the big noisy engines go and watch a Euroboss meeting and be deafened for a day.
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That really does trivialise the issue. It's not just about volume. It's about a noise that for many is F1. As someone else said above, you only have sound and vision when watching F1 on TV. Now we only have vision so it's not as exciting. Please at least accept that point.
 
Spie said:
Montezemolo flies to London for talks with Ecclestone after drop in TV ratings for Malaysian GP.
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Nothing can be done this years. Maybe next year?

lucarocks92 said:
Montezomolo also wants less down force on cars as he doesn't like all the aero grip, he seems to want the old F1 back that was really exciting from the late 80's 90's.
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As Enzo Ferrari once said.
"Aero is for teams who can't build engines" I have to agree with that.
 
I think I'd have to hear them in person to be honest. TV can never match being there live. I've been to Silverstone for the last 3 years and I still remember the very first time I went. We were approaching the track in our mini bus and you could hear the cars screaming. (From at least half a mile away! :0) It really was a special sound and set the atmosphere for the day. :) But at the same time, I've never really got that same feeling watching it on TV from all the years I've been watching it... I guess its like most things, gigs, football matches etc. All are better actually being there. This is where the problem comes in. The majority of people watching it on TV have probably never been and experienced the above so to them it probably feels toned down? The old V8's sounded far more frantic, louder and higher pitched whereas the new ones sound duller and slower even though the cars are pretty much travelling as near as the same speed. I bet these people would feel differently stood by a track watching them whizz past but unfortunately this probably wont be the case for them. Like I say, there are probably far more armchair fans watching on TV than people watching in person. So I guess that's where the problem is going to lie...

So what do they do?

* Make them louder some way? (I doubt teams will do this if it affects performance..)
* Revert back to the old engines? (What would be the point after all the R&D money and again, teams that lose performance doing this wont be interested..)
* Create another new rule set for the future? (More money and expense to a sport that's trying to do the complete opposite..)

Its an interesting conundrum and one that probably wont be solved for some time/if ever. (there's no way they'll be able to make everyone happy.) I guess at best the new rules have shaken things up a bit and stopped the RB procession which is good. Also, if the engine manufacturers were indeed thinking of pulling the plug before and the new engines have stopped this, then that has to be great too??
 
Skeeter said:
Fixed. Wouldn't want you bending the truth and misleading the innocent users of OcUK.
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Resorting to ad hominem against someone who isn't reading your posts and amending their words? Nice, Skeeter, very tasteful and in no way indicative that Spie was absolutely right to put you on ignore. I think I'll do likewise.
 
I like the change, I agree the noise isn't the best but im sure ill get used to it. What I can see happening in a few years, is all the supercars using the V6 engine with a similar energy recovery system. This technology will filter down, so of course at the moment nothing is relevant road car wise. This is because this is new technology they are using to a point.
 
deuse said:
Well the whole rb team only sing when their winning or they want something changed like the tires last year.
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Yes, I agree, but I do wonder how many other teams feel the same but dare not say anything publicly.
 
MrKnifey said:
I like the change, I agree the noise isn't the best but im sure ill get used to it. What I can see happening in a few years, is all the supercars using the V6 engine with a similar energy recovery system. This technology will filter down, so of course at the moment nothing is relevant road car wise. This is because this is new technology they are using to a point.
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There is already V8 cars with this tech, but you got to be rich to buy one :)

Spie said:
Yes, I agree, but I do wonder how many other teams feel the same but dare not say anything publicly.
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True.
 
Skeeter said:
How so? The 2009 to 2013 engines were the same NA V8s as 2008, except for the addition of KERS, a device so insignificant RBR won 4 titles with a system that was broke most of the time.

Your 'issues' with F1 started 2 races ago. Your just using 2008 as an arbitrary date in an attempt to add more weight to your weak argument.

Your multiple thread, multiple post argument is hung entirely off your dislike for the noise of the V6s. Anything else is simply an attempt to make your position seem less feeble. You don't like the V6s, I think everyone on here is very much aware of that now, but trying to say F1 has been ruined by green rules for 6 years, almost all of which were subject to an engine freeze, is a pretty big stretch? Only a couple of pages back you were singing the praises of how good the 2013 engines were, yet now they are 'ruined by green regulations', and the 2008 engines, which were almost identical, was the last great year.

Make your mind up.
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I've got to agree with skeeter here for the most part. I understand the whole sound argument - having never been to an F1 race i can only imagine it comparable to muting the vulcan bomber. But to state that F1 has been going downhill for the last 6 years due to green regulations is stretching the argument too far with the engine freeze in place.
 
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